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Contents 1 Dunkirk Pirates 2 Eventual Loss of Spaniard Dunkirk 3 Which came earlier ? 4 Image

[edit] Dunkirk Pirates

I'm really struggeling to find information about how the Dunkirk Pirates affected Charles I of England, especially in the 1630's. All subjects just touches Charles, but I want to know, did they steal ships from England, ammunition? I see that Charles instated Ship Money, to tax coastal towns for the building of ships. It seems to me, that he, at that time, had big problems with the Dunkirk Pirates, or maybe he was just scared. What threat were they to him? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kotze (talk • contribs) 06:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

There are two essays that might be useful (one by R. Baeten and one by R.A. Stradling) in Jan Glete (ed.), Naval History 1500-1800 (International Library of Essays on Military History; Aldershot: Ashgate, 2005), ISBN 0754624986. But just going through the relevant volumes of Calendar of State Papers and Acts of the Privy Council would give a lot of details. --Paularblaster (talk) 12:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Eventual Loss of Spaniard Dunkirk

The French seized Dunkirk in the 1640's, O.K., but the Spaniards caught them off guard a few years later and recovered this privateering harbour. Spain lost Dunkirk for good after the second battle of the Downs in 1658 (or 1659) at the hands of an Anglo-French army.

Note: there were two battles of the Downs. The first one a naval encounter off Dover in 1639 and the second one a land battle in the nearby of Dunkirk. Both were Spaniard defeats. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.142.175.22 (talk) 10:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

The second is known in English as the Battle of the Dunes (1658). --Paularblaster (talk) 15:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. In Spanish both of them are known as "la batalla de las Dunas". It has been my fault. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.142.175.22 (talk) 10:30, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Which came earlier ?

Did the Dunkirker frigates come before or after the Dutch ones? The Frigate article seems confused on this matter. I thought the reason for the Dutch adopti this term for their own new warship type was because of the Dunkirkers frigates. Is there somebody out there that can find out when the earliest references were made to the Dunkirkers small manouverable ships? Also, when did they start calling them frigates? If you do find out can you fix the frigate article as well as adding it to this one. The information may be in Flemish, Dutch, French or even Spanish.

[edit] Image

Finding it difficult to find an image of an early Dunkirker small frigate operating out of the Spanish Netherlands. Current external image apparently shows battle involving larger type warships based there that they coordinated with Provocateur (talk) 01:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)