Talk:Dunkel

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[edit] Name of beer style

I have always seen this beer style called dunkel rather than dunkles. Is this a regional/international variation? (I am American) What do the Germans call it? Lowenbrau's Australian website uses dunkel, as does Weihenstephan. --BlueCanoe 22:45, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

And Ayinger. From their website:

Up until the Second World War, dark beer was the predominant beer type in the Munich area. The hard water found in the region played a special role in producing this specialty. In his book “Beer International”, the world-renowned English beer writer, Michael Jackson, accurately describes the Ayinger “Altbairisch Dunkel” as: “A good example of its kind. Impenetrably dark with a golden-brown gleam when held up to the light, and with a warm aroma and malty taste, while summoning up coffee taste sensations on going down. It is brewed from five types of malt (two of which are torrified dark), and it is only lightly hopped.” It is produced using the traditional double fermentation process.

I propose moving this page to a new page named "dunkel" or "Munich dunkel", and turning "dunkles" into a redirect. --BlueCanoe 22:53, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

An English-German dictionary has both dunkle and dunkel listed as meaning "dark". I plan on going forward with moving this page to a new one named "dunkel". --BlueCanoe 22:09, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

The German language wikipedia article is named de:Dunkelbier. Renaming of page complete. --BlueCanoe 22:28, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Being a native German speaker, I might be able to explain: "Dunkel" is an adjective, and it changes its grammatical shape according to its position relative to the noun. Compare Das Bier ist dunkel. (The beer is dark.) with Das ist ein dunkles Bier. (This is a dark beer.). You see, both Dunkel and Dunkles are actually shortened from Dunkles Bier (dark beer). Hence, to a native speaker, the difference is not appearent. But in fact, regional dialects may make a speaker prefer one of the two forms. In my home, Munich, most people would order a Dunkles, but it might be labelled Münchner Dunkel. Simon A. 17:06, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification! --BlueCanoe 00:57, 17 February 2006 (UTC)