Talk:Dunedin (ship)
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[edit] SS?
I thought "SS" stood for steam ship, no? Isn't this a sailing vessel ("SV")? See ship prefix. -- ALoan (Talk) 16:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Precisely. The article is even titled SSDunedin, although it essentially admits that the Dunedin was not a steamer (noting as it does that the addition of a smokestack for the refrigeration equipment made her look like a steamship). This error is repeated throughout the article, and reflects poorly on it.
- Am responsible for the SS - I do not claim to be an expert on shipping, although I suspect things are not quite as straight forward as may at first be thought. I copied SS with reservations but uncertain of boundaries of the use from primary reference: A lasting Legacy — A 125 year history of New Zealand Farming since the first Frozen Meat Shipment, Ed. Colin Williscroft PMP, NZ Rural Press Limited, Auckland, 2007. This had more material about the ship than other sources, and authors had first hand experience of the (modern) shipping industry. I note a breif google search for SS Dunedin turns up a number of pages which name the ship as SS Dunedin. (http://www.meatnz.co.nz/main.cfm?id=105&lid=8, http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0705/S00479.htm, http://www.foodweek.com.au/main-features-page.aspx?articleType=ArticleView&articleId=179, for example) However 'SS' was not used in the two other references I sued to cross check facts, which were written by historians rather than sailors. I note the vessel had a steam engine on board - for the compressor - but to the best of my knowledge this could never be used to propel her. Winstonwolfe 00:47, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
- It seems that SS also caught out the Otago Daily Times the other day, which may have used the same source (if you're a Dunedinite, check out the small "Ship shape now" correction at the top of p.33 of Saturday (2/6/07)'s paper. As it says there: ...the SS is wrong. [The ship was] a full-rigged sailing ship, The "Oxford Companion to Ships and the Sea" says the prefix SS indicates a merchant steamsip and originally stood for "screw steamship", to differentiate from paddle steamers. The smokestack from the refrigeration unit cxould have been the cause for the confusion, but since it was not used for propulsion, it is unlikely to lead to the ship being described as a steamship. Grutness...wha? 01:08, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
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- It's worth noting that removing the SS is generally erring on the side of caution - even if the ship was a steamship, it would still be correct to omit the prefix and just call her Dunedin... Shimgray | talk | 01:18, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, absolutely agree with waht you have done - was noting background to why it had been SS in the article, partly to show the designation issue wasn't quite straight forward, and mostly to stop me looking like a complete twit. :-). Winstonwolfe 01:39, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
- It's worth noting that removing the SS is generally erring on the side of caution - even if the ship was a steamship, it would still be correct to omit the prefix and just call her Dunedin... Shimgray | talk | 01:18, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Pronunciation?
There are a variety of possible ways to pronounce "Dunedin" that I can think of. Can someone who knows the correct pronunciation please provide it in the article? --RealGrouchy 22:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
