Talk:Dumb blonde

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What are more characteristics of a dumb blonde?

I think being dumb and blonde are the two defining characteristics, any others would be irrelevant. --fvw* 22:16, 2004 Dec 18 (UTC)

An example of a popular joke about dumb blondes: Do you know how dies cerebral cells of blonde girls? By loneliness!!!!!!!!!!!


I think the definitive 'dumb blonde' is blonde, dumb and usually young and attractive - but not (neccesarily) sexual. A bimbo on the other hand is sexualised (and indeed may be a non-blonde)

There are virginal/non-sexualised dumb blondes:

A bimbo on the other hand is usually sexualised:

--Ross Nolan 11:09, 6 December 2005 (UTC)


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[edit] Medieval Europe

The Frankish, Norman, and Gothic-descended nobility of Europe tended to be darker-haired than the peasantry--what? 207.68.245.5 (talk) 01:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Buffy

I don't know the Betty Cooper character, but in the film, at least, the whole point of the Buffy character was that she was dumb-blonde type, who triumphed anyway. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 19:07, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Valley Girl

I don't think Clueless really popularized the Valley Girl stereotype. When the movie Valley Girl came out in 1983, the idea of a Valley Girl was already well-ingrained in pop culture. Frank Zappa's song was released in 1982. Neither of these would have had any success if the Valley Girl stereotype wasn't already well-established. Al 15:59, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, in the case of Zappa, I suspect that not many people bought his records because of their lyrics — and I'm certain that most people outside (and many within) the U.S. didn't know what was being parodied, but enjoyed it anyway. It's the sort of thing that does become known through parodies rather than in any other way. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 16:45, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Please forgive my ignorance where to put this...and the proverbial but,

Blonde woman lived north of the Roman empire. There were blonde men also. Both, each, blue eyed. Romans never called their ships she or their country she. The Celts did and to this day many countries. Why would a society that praises women would call them dumb if they were light of hair. Which leads us to Dumnorix.

A Celt/Gual king, crying out as Roman swords pierced him. "I am a Free man in a Free state". (not that I advocate kings but at the time it was better under Dummy than Ceasar.

At the time there were other Gaulsih chieftains conspiring with Ceasar's troops. Dumnorix died fighting against the Romans even though the odds were so stacked against him, maybe leaving the people to say don't be a dum(norix)my submit. But I haven't met a blond who would.

[edit] Usagi Tsukino

Usagi Tsukino is definitely not "intelligent and appropriately serious in demeanor". It makes me wonder if whoever wrote that actually saw the show or read the comics. She is nice, caring person but she is also a superficial, over-romantic, fun-loving, whiny and scatter-brained child, immature even for a girl in her lower teens. She readily admits it herself. Perhaps whoever wrote this was thinking of Sailor Venus who is also blonde and fits the description much better. Usagi Tsukino actually fits the dumb blonde cliché much better than the description above.

[edit] Brunettes/redheads who are naturally blonde

I don't quite understand the new heading ".../blondes who are..." Does that not remove the 'interest' from the issue?

Cameron Diaz natural blond? Recently seen pictures in which the bleaching is gone and a very natural deep black haircolor shows instead. But blue-eyed, which made the former artificial blond so much more look like real.
Don't think Miss Middler is natural blond. Seen a picture with black hair and it looked very much like real. She's got to much temperament for a 'temperate'. No Northern-Europide could sing for instance that 'Cuba-song', (what's it's exact title?) in a way, she does, unless eventually a natural orange-blond (which she might be). James Blond 05:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
But she most likely isn't. Found this:[1]; picture nr. 10 looks most natural of them all. Like that there's room enough for all those wigs, shown in most of the other pictures. All by all she's a Jewish person, who has been flaunting a lot with other persons feathers. But she can sing all right (unlike other blackhaired wigwearer Madonna). James Blond 14:01, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Title

I prefer the French title: "Stereotypes of blondes". More NPoV too, don't you all think so? - Gilliam 22:41, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Could this whole dumb-blond thing perhaps be a matter of projection? Projecting the fear for own dumbness on others, of whom one thinks, they might be more intelligent? Something like finding peace of mind, by playing it thus, that those others are dumb as well.
Besides, there is a lot, that justifies the thesis, that lightblonds are not dumb, when they turn out not to understand and/or know enough about this industrialised world, because it has been made the (more and more dramatic) way it is, by others, who wouldn't have done this, if they were not more or less dumb themselves. James Blond 04:32, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Natural Blondes section

Is this section needed? These women, that I know of, aren't really considered "dumb blondes" or at least not all of them. Shouldn't it be edited to either not be there or something like "natural blondes that fit the stereotype" or something? Black Kat 15:07, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Karen Smith

The character "Karen Smith" is included under "dumb blonde antitheses," as someone who defies the blonde stereotype and is intelligent or serious in demeanor. There are two problems with this: 1) The fictional Karen Smith is indeed dumb, although she is smart enough to recognize and regret her dumbness. 2) Her link leads to a real-life Karen Smith, a hockey player. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.255.245.109 (talk) 05:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC).


[edit] Blonde hair and Ancient Greeks

The author(s) of the article mention(s) that the Ancient Greeks were fascinated by the blonde hair of northern barbarians. While this may be partly true, many heroes of the homeric tales had blonde (xanthos) hair: it was not at all something alien to them.

[edit] China Dolls

Is this the Caucasian version of the China Doll stereotype, out of curiosity--69.234.207.238 (talk) 21:42, 31 January 2008 (UTC)?

[edit] Miss South Carolina (2007) answers incident?

Anyone wanna mention that incident in the article?

I think that this might have something to do with the "dumb slut" stereotype. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.77.168.209 (talk) 07:08, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Merge proposal

I proposed for the merge of Blonde jokes to Dumb blonde. To my opinion, they are too closely related to be in separate articles after all. Also, the section regarding the cultural impact of the blonde jokes, which is the only thing that is keeping the Blonde jokes article from deletion, is similar in content, if not almost identical, to the one in this article. Udonknome (talk) 03:22, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Support - these articles cover almost identical subjects. Blonde jokes essentially just contains examples of the dumb blonde stereotype - little more than an {{Examplefarm}}. It should either be merged into this article or deleted outright. Terraxos (talk) 18:44, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Oppose - Blonde jokes has notability on its own & these two should remain as separate articles.

Oppose - The two are perfectly viable separate. - DevOhm Talk 01:45, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Sober theories of origins" section

I have a few problems with the "Sober theories of origins" section. Foremost, there is already an "Origins" section, so this section is redundant from the outset – why not just integrate the information into the Origins section? A fair amount of the info is already there. Additionally, the name of the section is weird. "Sober theories?" Are the other theories frivolous?

In terms of content, the section isn't particularly clear – it seems to be talking more about blondness itself, rather than the dumb blond stereotype. The sentence that (I guess?) makes the connection – "Therefore many wanted to believe that blond and rich women were stupid and cheap" – is pretty tenuous, uncited, and sounds like POV. Really, overall I think this section is extraneous. I'll probably delete it within a week or so if no one protests.

- DevOhm Talk 01:43, 25 May 2008 (UTC)