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Contents 1 September, 2006 2 January 2007 3 February 2007 4 Article Title 5 Wikipedia guidelines

[edit] September, 2006

Notes on previous fix: article mentioned that borders are contested, but they are not. The bulk of artists who called DUMBO home between the early nineteen ninetees and the following decade actually lived east of the manhattan bridge, not between the bridges. This includes the artist who originally coined the name DUMBO. DUMBO is NOT Vinegar Hill. Vinegar hill is a distinct and very small neighborhood, adjacent to the Naval Yard, with very different architecture. It consists of housing built for naval yard workers in the 19th century. The name Vinegar Hill is as old as the neighborhood and was borrowed from a similar shipworker's neighborhood in Scottland (it's not a trendy real estate name or some artist's coinage).

Also: author should consult a map. The streets in DUMBO run directly North/South and East/West. DUMBO is East of Brooklyn Heights and the Brooklyn Bridge, not North of it.

And: how about a better picture. It's such a photogenic place. That picture gives little sense of anything.

Some possibile topics for embelishment: Galleries, performance spaces, historical spots, famous and emerging artists who live there or had studios there in recent years, links to art depicting the area, land use and landlord/tenant controversies, movies and videos filmed there, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulraphael (talk • contribs)

[edit] January 2007

Please note: This is not a neighborhood! There is a Fulton Ferry Historic District, designated on July 28, 1977 by the New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission. It runs from Doughty Street in Brooklyn Heights to Main Street in Dumbo and from the East River to Water Street. Part of that landmark area is the Fulton Empire State Park, but there are many landmark buildings outside the state park. —Preceding unsigned comment added by R.scholz (talk • contribs)

[edit] February 2007

Fulton Ferry and Vinegar Hill are both seperate from DUMBO, and recognized as such by the New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission. As someone who grew up in Vinegar Hill, I can say that we are very proud of the history of the area. DUMBO= Down under Manhattan Bridge Overpass. The overpass does not cover Fulton Ferry, nor Vinegar Hill and both these areas were around long before the Manhattan Bridge was built. Both Fulton Ferry and Vinegar Hill appear on Metropolitan Transportation Authority's maps of the Brooklyn Waterfront, and DUMBO only recently has been added to the MTA neighborhood area map. Currently, the NYC: A City of Neighborhoods Map from the NYC Dept of City Planning does not recognize DUMBO as a neighborhood. Both Fulton Ferry and Vinegar Hill are the listed neighborhoods in the area.RPocius 17:13, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

For the purposes of Wikipedia, there are two ways of verifying a neighborhood name: official recognition, which according to your links, it fails, or non-trivial coverage in reliable media sources, which it does just fine. The article needs to be cited better, but as far as Wikipedia is concerned, DUMBO is a neighborhood. The Fulton Ferry/Vinegar Hill thing needs to be explained better though. --Mosmof 18:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, as I happen to consider DUMBO a neighborhood, however the Fulton Ferry page should not be merged with DUMBO, as it is an officially recognized neighborhood in the Borough of Brooklyn, and therefore is deserving of it's own page. The Vinegar Hill/ Fulton Ferry issue arises when people and the media consider Vinegar Hill and Fulton Ferry as being part of the neighborhood of DUMBO which is factually inaccurate.--RPocius 19:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Got it - I've had this article on my watchlist and I've been meaning to work on it, but haven't gotten around to it. Thanks for your work. Mosmof 19:28, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article Title

Isn't the format supposed to be DUMBO, Brooklyn, New York? NYC is obviously different, but the format elsewhere for U.S. neighborhoods is Neighborhood, City, State. See Hollywood.

I would change it myself, but I've never changed an article's title. Can that do all kinds of bad things with the links and whatnot?

.s

X ile 05:48, 16 June 2007 (UTC) - Talk

[edit] Wikipedia guidelines

Some of this article suffered from Chamber of Commerce-esque WP:PEACOCK hype more suitable to a sales brochure than to the tone of an encyclopedia article. Let's please remember that Wikipedia is not a venue for promotion or marketing. Other policy/guideline vios include WP:DATED (we cannot say "recently," "currently," etc., as Wiki articles must be written in what's known as a "timeless" fashion) and WP:CRYSTAL (an encyclopedia says what has happened, not what may happen in the future; Wikinews is the place for announcements of future plans).

To the person who embedded the note about further references and external links: Yes, Wikipedia is not a collection of links. But WP:EL specifies that up to five to six external links (which are "for further reading" links ONLY, not links to sources used as reference for the article itself) is appropriate.--24.215.162.198 (talk) 16:27, 25 December 2007 (UTC)