Talk:Dulwich College

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Dulwich College was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. Reviewed version: May 30, 2006

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Assessment: Hello all, and thank you for contributing to this school article. I'm part of the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Schools/Assessment team, and I'm reviewing this page. I'm currently giving it a grade of Start on the Wikipedia 1.0 Assessment Scale and an importance of High on this importance scale. For information on improving this article, please visit the WikiProject Schools Project Page. My reasoning is as follows: Needs to be referenced and could use some trimming of local interest items. Could also use some expansion and work on WP:NPOV Adam McCormick 05:56, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 12 scholars

User:148.235.242.21 removed the introductory phrase about the 12 original scholars, but I don't understand why, so I reverted that. Leave a note here if you have a reason for it to be omitted. David Brooks 15:23, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Some weirdos go around inserting, removing or changing random words or short phrases. I assume thir intention is to cause subtle vandalism that won't be noticed. When you see that an IP address (rather than a registered user) has made an unusual change it can be a good idea to click on it and see what other changes they've been making around the Wiki. I reverted the same deletion by a 212.85.x.x IP, and I believe this to be a class of school kids who listen to the Iain Lee radio show. They vandalise his entry and then follow the wiki link to fellow presenter Clive Bull, from where they get here. The 148.235.242.21 user was probably the same kid at a different location.

(above comment was by user 81.178.99.103) OK, but I expanded the history section instead to include the information on the 12. I suppose in this case it doesn't matter that the information is duplicated; it's reasonable to have it in the intro paragraph also. David Brooks 15:58, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Alumni

Why is jimmy carr listed, though his bio doesnt mention dulwich college? Why is G E Moore not mentioned? Also, Dulwich has severed its ties with the school in Phuket. In other words...this page needs an update

(above comment by User:217.42.1.113) - 1) Is Carr "notable", and can his attendance be independently verified? It doesn't need to be in his official bio. 2) This is a wiki. Don't just sit on the edge of the pool. Dive in and update! David Brooks 04:51, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 86.132.62.77 reversion

I don't understand why 86.132.62.77 reverted to essentially the version by 82.26.42.172 of 06:16, 31 December 2005 (but with the removal of Jimmy Carr and Dr Niven). Perhaps he would care to explain on this page. I think Pperos's changes were all good (and corrected at least one error I made). Since this entry is not exclusively aimed at Americans, there is no need to elaborate on the meaning of Public School beyond the wikilink.

As to Dr Niven, it is true that he taught Tony Blair at Fettes, was head at Alleyns and founding head of DC Shanghai, and once presented an award to Miss World (apparently as neither a judge nor a host). If you feel strongly about him, put him back. David Brooks 20:17, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Victoria Crosses

It is my belief that OAs have won more VCs than any other public school (at least in the 2nd war I think) - if this is indeed so then it certainly deserves a mention. Hpwever, I cant find any such statistics to back this up, can anyone help on this? is it true? BFS

I have been looking at VCs and although Dulwich College does have a large number of VC recipients (at seven) this pales in comparison with Eton's 37. I am working on a comparison and have verified a number of schools. Dulwich is in the top 10. As far as WW2 is concerned, Dulwich won 2 VCs and Marlborough, Wellington and Eton all better that. Kwib 23:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] society for the preservation of the semi-colon

Thanks very much David Brooks, I must really learn to stop abusing our language. You're not an English teacher from the College in disguise by any chance? :P BFS

LOL - no, just a follower of Lynne Truss :-) David Brooks 16:25, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Is there something that could be done to stop the constant vandalism of this page? I assume its kids from the school. Bensonby 18:17, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Failing GA Nomination

I have failed the Good Article nomination for Dulwich College. Sorry guys, but it's just nowhere near the right standard.

The two largest concerns are that the article is not broad enough in scope (doesn't deal with all or almost all the scope of the subject - in this case, there's nothing talking about its academic achievements, or much of the tradition at the school, houses, library, etc), and it has no references. Without citing references, there is no verifiability to any of the information in the article, and that is absolutely something that is required.

This is a good start, but a fair bit of work will be required to get it to GA standard. It needs to be longer, more comprehensive, and well-referenced. Another photo or two wouldn't hurt either (and on that note, the next time I'm passing the school, I'll see if I can get some, if I do I'll let you know here).

Sorry I can't be the bearer of better news, but its good work so far, thanks to all editors for their contributions. — Estarriol ^talk 11:43, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lionel Barber

According to a report by the Sutton Trust ([1]) he went to Dulwich College

True, of course. Sdbarber 22:00, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Academic Achievement

As an old boy I wish I did not have to write this, but this section is not objective and clearly contains a strong element of special pleading. Why, for example, say that if the top 120 of 200 6th form pupils are taken, their achievement ranks among the top ten in the country? Other schools such as Eton, with 240 boys in the sixth form, gets three times as many pupils into Oxbridge (and a considerable number into Ivy League colleges, and St Pauls, have continued to get around 1/3rd of their sixth form into Oxbridge, as Dulwich used to in its heyday in the 1970s. And the notion that numbers are diluted by competition from other UK universities is hightly questionable. Moreover, to cite Tatler in claiming that its academic results are 'remarkable' really is scraping the barrel. This is not to say Dulwich's academic achievements are not excellent; it's just that they are, objectively, not top rank any more as a result of a deliberate decision by the school some 15 years ago not to compete with its former London rivals, Westminster and St Pauls. In short, while the rest of the entry is directly factual, the paragraph on academic achievement is little more than 'spin' from an insider with rose-tinted spectacles. Sdbarber 21:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mastership Dates

Ronald Groves retired in 1966, not 1962, as his own article records.Hymers2 (talk) 14:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)