Talk:Duke of Marlborough
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I would put this under John Churchill not Duke of Marlborough and use the Duke of Marlborough page to direct to pages for each Duke (presuming the other dukes were notable). I know the British system is diferent but which would be easier? -rmhermen
I'm inclined to leave it. He's far more famous as "The Duke of Marlborough", and from the time he was made Earl Malborough his legal name was "Marlborough", not "John Churchill". Putting him under "John Churchill" would be like putting "John Wayne" under "Marion Morrison". As for the other dukes, fortunately none of them were more than faintly notable (the famous Winston Churchill was not duke). If push comes to shove that's what the notation 2nd Duke of..., 3rd Duke of... is for. -- PaulDrye
Then at least shouldn't he be listed as 1st Duke not just Duke. We call them Quenns Eliz. I and II, although the first Elizabeth didn't call herself that. -rmhermen
We've stepped into a difficult spot here, in which there's no good solution but popularity. During his life, I scan the following proper names for Our Man:
- John Churchill - Sandridge (short form)/John, Baron Sandridge (long form) - Marlborough/John, Earl Marlborough/John, Duke Marlborough
as well as the titles:
- Baron of Sandridge - Earl of Marlborough - Duke of Marlborough - 1st Duke of Marlborough
Ten different names correct in one way or another. Which to choose, which to choose? All I can say is that The Duke of Marlborough is known far and wide as "The Duke of Marlborough". The other eight possibilities are just trivia about his life. A reality check: Google reports 5,730 hits for "Duke of Marlborough", 539 for "1st Duke of Marlborough" and 4,440 for "John Churchill" (many of which are different people). If someone cares to type in any of the other possibilities, redirect them here, but let's stick to calling him by what he is generally known as -- PaulDrye
>his star began a meteoric rise.
...they don't go in that direction. But then again, I'm not accustumed to English metaphors.
if the queen like John Chuchill so much than why was he replaced with the duke of Ormonde?
[edit] Name of 5th Duke of Marlborough
This article links to the 5th Duke of Marlborough (1766-1840) as George Spencer-Churchill, 5th Duke of Marlborough. The article Blenheim Palace links to the same person as Charles, 5th Duke of Marlborough. Both are redlinks. Anybody know which is correct/better. -- Chris j wood 1 July 2005 19:17 (UTC)
[edit] female succession
The succession is first to John's daughters and their heirs-male:
- Henrietta, 2d Duchess of Marlborough (no male issue)
- Anne, Countess of Sunderland → the present line of Dukes of Marlborough
- Elizabeth, Duchess of Bridgewater (male issue extinct)
- Mary, Duchess of Montagu (male issue extinct)
Next, John's grand-daughters and their heirs-male:
- Henrietta (dau of 2d Duchess), Duchess of Newcastle (no male issue)
- Mary (dau of 2d Duchess), Duchess of Leeds (male issue extinct)
- Anne (dau of Sunderland), Viscountess Bateman (male issue extinct)
- Diana (dau of Sunderland) → Dukes of Bedford
- Anne (dau of Bridgewater) → Earls of Jersey
- Mary (dau of Montagu), Countess of Cardigan (no male issue)
- Isabella (dau of Montagu), Countess of Beaulieu (no male issue)
If Anne's sons' issue should go extinct, it appears clear to me that the next heir is Bedford, not Jersey as the article now says. Comments? —Tamfang 05:52, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- Hopiakuta, why did you change my arrows above to question-marks? —Tamfang 07:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I've just noticed that question.
If the marks had changed, it had been inadvertent.
This is an old machine;
I was attempting to copy the arrow
into the addressbar, which did not work.
If you do it, w/ the left-facing, & the right-facing, as a searchterm , what do you get??
What about as an internallink ??
Thank You,
[[ hopiakuta | [[ [[%c2%a1]] [[%c2%bf]] [[ %7e%7e%7e%7e ]] -]] 09:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
- Various arrows redirect to Arrow (symbol). Why on earth would you want to put it in the addressbar? —Tamfang 01:36, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] 1704 ??
The disc. has something about [1]:
- •Duke of Marlborough;
- •England;
- •Holy Roman Empire;
- •United Provinces at Blenheim;
- • Blenheim ;
- •1704;...
Someone, please, disambiguate this,...
Thank You,
[[ hopiakuta | [[ [[%c2%a1]] [[%c2%bf]] [[ %7e%7e%7e%7e ]] -]] 15:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
- Disambiguate what?? —Tamfang 07:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I did write that. Please do not unwrite, edit, vandalize {< http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&oldid=152032956 >},...
As for the question, one portion would be: Does any specific paragraph list the extent of England, Britain, et al, late seventeenth [1600-1700] through whichever [possibly random] era? How much of Germany & France were English, &, to what extent?
Well, I could, as well, add those same questions f/ previous eras,...
Certainly, @ various moments, England has had North America, South America, Africa, Asia,...; as confusing as it is to follow that chronology, their relationship to mainland Europe is even moreso.
Thank You,
[[ hopiakuta | [[ [[%c2%a1]] [[%c2%bf]] [[ %7e%7e%7e%7e ]] -]] 08:43, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
- Since the loss of Calais in 1702, the British crown's only possessions in France are the Channel Islands (which are not under the UK parliament). Britain captured Gibraltar in 1704, and may have had some Mediterranean islands at the time, I don't know. From 1714 to 1837, Britain and Ireland were in crown union with Hanover, i.e. they were separate states that happened to have the same monarch. Britain later held Heligoland, an island now part of Germany. I hope that answers at least one portion of your question. This is obviously not the place to give you a complete history of British overseas possessions. —Tamfang 01:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
