Talk:Duke of Leinster

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the Dukes of Leinster are called "FitzGerald", not "Fitzgerald". I suppose all the pages should be edited and moved. Proteus 15:53 GMT, 15th January 2004

[edit] pronunciation

Just to confirm my small change, I am Irish and live in Dublin which is in Leinster and is pronounced as 'Lenster' not 'Linster'.

MBY.

The title is pronounced in a different way to the province, which is why the pronunciation is mentioned (it would be rather superfluous otherwise). Proteus (Talk) 18:44, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I'm also Irish and from the province of Leinster and it AND the Duchy are pronounced 'Lenster'. Boru

How do you know? Proteus (Talk) 09:17, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

As I said, "I'm also Irish and from the province of Leinster". I would imagine we who live in Leinster and have learnt about it's history would have some idea of how to pronounce it!. Boru 16:00, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

That would show you know how to pronounce the province (which I'm not disputing), but not that you know how to pronounce the title, especially as His Grace lives in Oxfordshire, not Leinster. Proteus (Talk) 10:25, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Proteus is certainly correct that the historic pronunciation of the dukedom and province was Linster, the province has changed but the dukedom has stayed the same. This feels like the all-thorp/all-trop issue all over again.Alci12 14:45, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Maybe historically but in 2007 we Leinstermen pronounce it Len-ster. Wikipedia is a modern encyclopedia. Linster / Linsther was used outside the province in the past, or in a stage-Irish manner. I think the consensus above is Len-ster.Red Hurley (talk) 13:47, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

You just don't get it — how people in Leinster pronounce the name of their province is utterly and completely irrelevant, because this isn't a province, it's a peerage, and the only relevant issue is how the holder of the peerage pronounces his own name. Proteus (Talk) 12:10, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Would it be possible to combine this article with Earls of Kildare under the title FitzGeralds? Or at least make some sort of redirect for FitzGeralds to one of the two existing articles? CountMippipopolous

[edit] the arms

The coat of arms shown has a viscount's coronet. Is that because all the higher titles are Irish? —Tamfang 02:20, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmm teach me to run this with gfx disabled. It is possible that the Duke sought a(n) (English) grant of arms as he may never have had any previous grant. The Irish titles existing before grants were normal so likely assumed some time around the original titles. However I can't find anything to say so. Would be very interesting to know if Garter would only grant Arms according to English titles and Ulster Irish etc [This] suggests that the form we expect exists but under what grant.Alci12 20:57, 4 April 2006 (UTC)