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Cited as an authority in The Guardian! -- WikiEN-L 2003 Sep 2

Surley Prince Charles can renounce his right to the Dukedom of Edinburgh?

Nope. Peerages pass according to the terms laid down in their letters patent, and only an Act of Parliament can amend those. Proteus (Talk) 22:14, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 Section deletion 2 Marquess of the Isle of Ely 3 Prince Charles Edward 4 Future Dukes Section

[edit] Section deletion

I have deleted:

"However, there is another possibility: were the monarch to alter the remainder provision of the current grant of the dukedom before the death of duke Philip, the peerage will be inherited accordingly. Thus far, there has been no formal, official alteration of the provision. Were the alteration be in favor of the youngest son of the present duke, then Edward, Earl of Wessex, would become the 2nd Duke of Edinburgh of its current, 4th creation, at the death of his father."

The monarch has no such power to alter the grant. Only an act of parliament can alter the decent of a title once created and the last time this happened was the Earldom of Mar Restitution Act in 1885. The monarch could create a new dukedom of Edinburgh with remainder to Edward not his elder brothers but that is not what the above states at all. Frankly we all know what the likely situation is and I'm not sure the value of re-including the removed paragraph even if corrected as per my comments.Alci12 13:57, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

~ Nonsense. The Monarch is the fount of honour, and especially with royal peerages, has the first and last word as to how they are accorded and inherited. The Royal website says: 'Upon his marriage to Miss Sophie Rhys-Jones in 1999, he was created The Earl of Wessex and Viscount Severn. At the same time it was announced that His Royal Highness will be given the title Duke of Edinburgh in due course, when the present title now held by Prince Philip eventually reverts to the Crown', so the point is moot since the dukedom is planned to be specifically regranted. 216.52.75.7 15:57, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

You have no idea what you are talking about nor did you read the comments. You can't alter an existing grant - which was the specific contention of the removed section - once granted nothing but an act of parliament can alter the remainder.

There could be a new creation once that title merges but that assumes that it will merge which is not an absolute only the most likely circumstance. Any new creation will be at the pleasure of the monarch at that time which will not be the present monarch nor perhaps the heir. Alci12 19:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. Although what the queen could do is create a new dukedom of Edinburgh for her husband that would be inherited by his youngest son. Then, if he predeceased his wife, his first dukedom would go to the Prince of Wales, who would never be called by it, and the second dukedom would go to the Earl of Wessex, while if the Queen dies first, on the Duke of Edinburgh's death the first dukedom merges with the crown, and the second dukedom is inherited by the Earl of Wessex. But this does not seem likely to happen. Also, how likely is it that the dukedom will not merge? For that to happen, the Prince of Wales would have to die, and Prince William would have to have a daughter and then die, all before both the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh die. In such a circumstance, the crown would be inherited by Prince William's daughter, and the Dukedom of Edinburgh by Prince Harry. But such an eventuality seems unlikely. john k 21:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd not really gone into that aspect to save confusing the matter further and because grants of the same title in the same peerage are so rare that we can assume this unlikely. A second dukedom with a special remainder would I agree be neater. As to the present dukedom I did say it was most likely to merge but not certain. William is about to serve in the military and could soon be married and have a child so were he to be killed we're part way to it being possible. Alci12 14:31, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marquess of the Isle of Ely

We (along with pretty much all the sources) say this was one of the subsidiary titles of the 1726 Dukedom of Edinburgh, but the announcement in the London Gazette says:

His Majesty has been pleased to create his Highness Prince Frederick, a Baron, Viscount, Earl, Marquess, and Duke of the Kingdom of Great Britain, by the Names Stiles and Titles of Baron of Snaudon in the County of Caernarvon, Viscount of Lanceston in the County of Cornwall, Earl of Eltham in the County of Kent, Marquess of the Isle of Wight, and Duke of Edinburgh. [my emphasis]

Was this a misprint? (If so, was it corrected later on?) Or is this actually the most incorrectly reported peerage in history? Proteus (Talk) 12:28, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm can't find anything quickly. The supplementals are a pain to sort through. LG is proving a problematic source atm Alci12

[edit] Prince Charles Edward

Wasn't he also a Duke of Edinburgh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Charles_Edward —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gwlubin (talk • contribs) 22:18, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Future Dukes Section

Unless a source can be provided for this analysis, it really must go. From WP:NOT#CBALL, "Articles that present extrapolation, speculation, and "future history" are original research and therefore inappropriate" The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick ^t 12:50, 24 December 2007 (UTC)