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[edit] Notice to Guitarist Project members

An Admin, unfamiliar with the project, has nominated our template-Template:Guitarist infobox-for deletion. I have added a vote to keep it...more would help. Anger22 12:14, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] tfd

See [1] -- it's very similar to the guitarist deletion episode.

[edit] Dean Smith

Oh, I'm not removing it out of any sort of collegiate bias on my part, nor do I disagree with you. Actually, I really don't follow sports or care much for them. However, it doesn't seem neutral to me to label him as one of the best ever. To preserve the content, you could quote a source calling him the best, that way it would fit NPOV. Besides, I think his record speaks for itself. LaszloWalrus 04:37, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] University of New Jersey at Durham

Are you familiar with the editorial perspective of Vanguard News Network, which you cited as a source for North Carolinians' views of Duke University in University of New Jersey at Durham? It should not be considered a reliable source. --Metropolitan90 14:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

No, I'm not. It was only used to demonstrate that the nickname is widely used. I have no idea who Vanguard is. I suppose any number of other sources would've worked; this was simply the first one that I came across. Thanks Dubc0724 14:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Redirect Error

I suggest you read my closing statement at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/University of New Jersey at Durham. Petros471 13:04, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Editing articles

There seems to be a misconception among some editors here about citing sources. I cite sources for edits that I make, not to correct or support claims that other editors make. If a citation is called for, the responsibility of finding it falls on the person making the claim; I resent you saying that the cites you added are added for me ... they are added to make the article truthful and NPOV. Duke53 | Talk 17:57, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I didn't make those edits either, but I still took it upon myself to cite them. My comments were only to reflect that it would be helpful to actually add sources if you feel an article is deficient, rather than solely rely on the work of others. Dubc0724 01:14, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Not true. You view my asking for sources as a form of 'passive vandalism' and your comments reflect that. I will add citations for data that I add to an article; you can do anything you please, but leave my name out of it. I don't care if you cite sources for additions when others neglect to do so; I will continue to ask for sources and delete uncited sections when they aren't verified. Duke53 | Talk 01:41, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I stand by my comments/edits on that article. You asked for citations and I provided them. I only asked that you consider actually looking for sources rather than adding tags and moving on. It might be more productive that way. As for "passive vandalism", all I have to go on is what I see. What I don't see is you littering Duke articles with fact tags the way you do Carolina, etc. If it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck... Dubc0724 14:07, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
... if a guy gives two different stories about why he's making the comments chances are that one of the versions is a lie. Duke53 | Talk 16:29, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Huh? The two responses I've made here are consistent with one another. I don't follow what you're attemtping to imply. Dubc0724 17:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


You said that your comments (including " ... perhaps you could help look for sources rather than just stick 30 tags on an article"? and " adding another source for duke53") were only asking " ... that you consider actually looking for sources rather than adding tags . *cough* BS *cough*. They were a commentary on me asking for sources. Duke53 | Talk 19:03, 10 October 2006 (UTC) p.s. You aren't the only one who is " ... having a great time with an editor who likes to use fact tags as passive vandalism".

I never denied that I was commenting on your usage of fact tags (if that's what you're trying to imply here). Here's what I did:

  1. I provided sources for you, and yes, I mentioned your name in doing so. After all, you were the one asking for them. [Seems fair enough.]
  2. I commented that perhaps you'd like to join in and constructively help the article by finding the one or some of the sources you are requesting, rather than depend solely on the work of others. [Also seems fair enough.]
  3. I compared the treatment of articles/claims you seem to favor (no tags) to those articles/claims you seem to dislike (lots of tags). [Maybe unfair - just calling it as I've seen it thus far.]

I'm not sure how you're concluding that I am "BS"-ing. I think I've made myself pretty clear. Dubc0724 19:34, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I will type this slowly: You should have been adding sources to make the article better, not to make a point to anyone; if sources weren't cited for those claims then they should (and would) have been deleted. You took it upon yourself to add citations ... pin a rose on your nose. Be proud. Duke53 | Talk 19:56, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
No kidding; that's the point of this whole exercise. Obviously the sources enhance the article. (It also makes the article easier to read without [citation needed] after every other sentence.) I will concede that your fact tagging is still helping improve the UNC articles, regardless of your intentions. So it all works out in the end. Thanks, Dubc0724 20:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Guitarists Newsletter - Issue II - October 2006

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[edit] WikiProject Disambiguation Talk Request

This is a form message being sent to all WikiProject Disambiguation participants. I recently left a proposed banner idea on the WikiProject Disambiguation talk page and I would appreciate any input you could provide. Before it can be approved or denied, I would prefer a lot of feedback from multiple participants in the project. So if you have the time please join in the discussion to help improve the WikiProject. Keep up the good work in link repair and thanks for your time. Nehrams2020 21:51, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MedCab case

Hi, thanks for posting your MedCab case and sorry for not replying earlier. Would it be ok if I copied the details of your case to to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard, because they probably would be more able to resolve this disagreement. Addhoc 21:50, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

That will be fine. My apologies for posting it in the wrong spot. Thanks! Dubc0724 12:15, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Hi! I'm PMC, the administrator who "took over" your MedCab case. I understand that you may feel strongly about what's going on, and about Duke's behavior, but I would appreciate it if you could possibly ignore him for now, instead of arguing with him on his Talk page. Arguing will only escalate this issue into something ArbCom-worthy, and I'm sure no one wants to go there over this. Additionally, if you could leave off editing Duke/UNC articles for the time being, that would help. And finally, if you are going to argue with him, which I do not advise, please refrain from comments such as "you'll just be talking out of your ass as usual." Thank you. If you have any questions, please see my Talk. ♠PMC♠ 20:46, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I know I lost my cool. Sorry about that And I've added my final reply to Duke on his usertalk page, and I won't bring it up again. We'll just let Wikipedia run its course. Again, sorry for probably making the situation worse by arguing. Thanks for trying to help. Dubc0724 17:58, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UNC and Duke

I am trying to keep the information on Wikipedia with respect to UNC and Duke encyclopedic and not inflammatory. I would appreciate your help in achieving this goal by, for example, not creating redirects or web pages whose only nature serves to insult or attack one of the schools. Please let me know if you think this might be achievable. If you look at my contributions, you will see what I have done in this regard. DukeEGR93 13:41, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. First, I have not created any redirects. I created one article that was eventually deleted and turned into a redirect. The resulting redirect was deleted. I don't feel that the UNJD article attacked or maligned anyone; it simply explained the origin of a widely used nickname. The article was deleted because it was determined to be "non-notable".
I did not create the "Carowhina" redirect, and I did not make the original "Dook" entry, although I have reverted its blanking once or twice. I fail to see how censoring, suppressing, or ignoring certain aspects of a topic serves the best interests of Wikipedia. Call me a cynic, but I also find it interesting that the only editors taking issue with 2 Duke nicknames also have "Duke" in their usernames. Respectfully, Dubc0724 13:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry - I did not mean to imply that you participated in or created those pages, just that those were the pages in question for a variety of disparaging or attacking remarks. I am assuming good faith, but the parallel interest one might have with respect to the speed with which those edits were reversed is that it was at the pen of two users with UNC Infoboxes. DukeEGR93 15:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Just got your note - with respect to Remember, I added a note to that person's talk page due to the speed with which Dook was changed to again include an incendiary disambig. DukeEGR93 15:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
No offense taken, just wanted to clear up any confusion about what I did or did not create. Dubc0724 17:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
On the other hand, you did just re-add the disambig link. You cite google, but none of the links that come up is NPOV or not WP. I guess this goes up a step. DukeEGR93 17:57, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Do they have to be "NPOV" to prove that it exists? I'm not using them as citations; I'm using them to prove that the nickname is very commonplace throughout collegiate sports. Dubc0724 18:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Dook, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible.

Got the messages - agreed on the compromise, and thanks for proposing it. I put in a helpme to see about removing the mediation request and I'll go over to MedCab and delist. Glad to have gotten this done - hopefully I will get the time to add to the UNC pages - there is a lot of important history that's not on there yet. DukeEGR93 02:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gail

While I agree the information belongs in the article, it may be a bit much to call its removal "vandalism".[2] I would suggest an edit summary more like "Information restored as per Talk page". Best, Johntex\talk 17:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I regretted it immediately. I got trigger happy due to the anonymous edit. My bad. Dubc0724 17:25, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] North Carolina Tar Heels

I just made the page North Carolina Tar Heels so there could be a page that specifically talks about North Carolina athletics (like many of the other college athletic pages). I thought you might be interested in making this page better. Remember 21:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Wow, I didn't even realize there wasn't one. Good idea. ThanksDubc0724 22:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Trivia

Well, all the deletions in the trivia that you made were restored by Remember except that one about the rivalry's recent results (as far as I can tell). Although, to be fair, only two out of the three statistics restored by Remember were favorable to UNC so it wasn't a complete sweep. Cheers! -152.3.84.110 05:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll look into it. That's why I wanted to cut down on some of the "trivia"; it turns into a contest between the two sides and gets rather lengthy. Thanks Dubc0724 12:37, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UNC-Duke scores

I checked his edits and they appeared to be fine, but I had made several errors in the scores that had gone unnoticed. I have checked these scores over, but if you could check it against the scores listed on deja blue I would appreciate it. Remember 13:52, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Good deal. I'll doublecheck them as well. Dubc0724 19:39, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UNC template

I have tried to create a template for UNC like other schools have and I was hoping you could help me make it better. Check out of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and let me know what you think. I modeled it off of the Duke Template, but it still needs lots of revisions. Remember 15:27, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

So any thoughts on this Template:University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill? Remember 12:30, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I haven't had a chance to really look at it (and I don't know much about templates), but it looks like a good start. I should have some time later and will try to improve where I can. Dubc0724 13:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chaos is fun

Sorry for taking so long to reply... but basically if you want to delist the case just change the "status" listing on the info template thingy from "open" to "closed". We have a super-bot program that automatically removes it from the list and archives it and stuff. --The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake 01:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tar Heel article

I have vastly changed the Tar Heel article and was hoping you would take a look at it to make sure it looks okay. Remember 18:15, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I set up the Rameses article and I thought you might be interested in that. I have totally gotten sucked into wikipedia today. Remember 19:21, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] the "botched joke" thing

That's just it- I didn't see any comments suggesting moving it elsewhere, and your comment appeared just after my suggestion/declaration of moving the section elsewhere in the article.

But all's well that ends well. Onward and upward. --DarthBinky 16:28, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You are involved in a Mediation Cabal Case

You have been listed as an invloved party in a recently opened Mediation Cabal case ("UNC Carolina nicknames and links"). I will begin reviewing the case. Please write a comment representative of your view or a compromise offer. -- ßottesiηi (talk) 17:03, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dean Smith article as good article candidate

I thought you would like to know that I put the Dean Smith article up for a good article candidate and someone has provided some feedback on it. It appears not much has to be done to get it to GA status. Remember 19:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Predatory Lending

Hey, I have an interest in predatory lending. If you have an interest in working to improve the article, I would like to offer to help. I dislike doing a bunch of work on an article, only to have a protracted fight over every word of it, so I am hoping that if you give me some instruction as to what you would like the article to be, maybe you and I and others can reach a general consensus.

LegCircus 20:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi - it's been a while since I looked at that article; I'll take a peek and see if anything jumps out that needs improving. Thanks Dubc0724 21:09, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] About FAIR

I corrected "media watch dog" to "liberal media watch dog" to be more accurate. But you reverted it, for unknown reason and without giving any explication. First of all, it's not a mainstream and recognized organization, it's a self-described media-watch dog. Second, It's obvious their criticism is made from a liberal perspective, and even Columbia Journalism Review described it as a "liberal media watchdog". I am going to revert it again if there is no objection. vincent_shooter 10:20, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Unless there was an edit mistake, I also added "liberal" as that's the angle they use. No disagreement on my part, whatsoever. If I made a mistake that resulted in a revert, my apologies. Dubc0724 15:38, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] edits to Bluegrass

Hi, I noticed that the colors on the Bluegrass article are messed up. It looks like the last revert you did only removed one of the vandal's edits. The other one messed up the color scheme. I would fix it but I have to log off now. Thanks.-Crunchy Numbers 21:06, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Highway 101

I created this

Main article: Highway 101 members / discography
and I'm not sure if it would work. I'm interested in what you think, since you were the last person to update the article. Well let me know, if it seems like it's not needed, please feel free to change back to other version. Thanks for your help :-) Tamara4006

[edit] I thought you might like to know that

Dean Smith is the Good Article collaboration of the week. Hopefully, this will get it up to FA status. Remember 15:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Nickel Creek

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I saw you created the Not All Who Wander Are Lost article. Thought you might want to join! If not, that's ok! Thamusemeantfan 05:29, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

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