Talk:Dubăsari sub-district, Transnistria

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The merge should be into the Raionul Dubasari article, for consistency with the articles on all the other administrative regions of Moldova. Grutness...wha? 01:25, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

no, the transnistrian administrative raion and the moldovan raion of dubasari are two different things: the transnistrian one is basically the same as the pre-1989 raion except all villages west of dnister and some 7 villages east of dnister, while the moldovan raion is the same villages not included in the transnistrian one. Constantzeanu 02:07, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Info without source

Nevertheless, the Romanian population has always been treated as second class citizens and subjected to intimidations and humiliations by the Russian-speaking minority.

Moved from the article, until sources are provided. --Zserghei 11:33, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed merge and disambiguisation

I suggest a merge into Dubăsari district (the word "raion" exist not in English) and a disambiguization page regarding the Transnistrian district and the Republic of Moldova district.--MariusM 20:16, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Are they actually any different? Rebecca 09:27, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Before the 1992 War of Transnistria it was only one Dubăsari district in the Republic of Moldova. After the war we have 2 districts: one controlled by the government of the Republic of Moldova and the other (which include the city of Dubăsari controlled by separatist authorities from Tiraspol. Both are called Dubăsari district.--MariusM 18:20, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Would it be accurate to say that they are NOT the same? Transnistria's government recognizes the legitimacy of Moldovan rule over the Dubăsari-area settlements of Dorotcaia, Cosnita, Cocieri, Malovata, Pohrebea, and Pirita on the left bank. They recognize this on the basis of a respect for the right of self-determination, knowing that the inhabitants of these villages prefer Moldovan rule over Transnistrian rule, even though technically these are left bank villages which in the past were not part of Bessarabia or the Principality of Moldavia. Moldova, on the other hand, lays claim to ALL of Dubăsari and do not seem to have any concern for the right to self-determination or the preferences of the inhabitants. - Mauco 21:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Is not accurate what you say, Mauco. Charts edited by Transnistria's separatist government show all the left-bank villages as being part of Transnistria. Villagers from Doroţcaia were harassed by separatist authorities. At the same time, Moldova's claim for ALL Dubăsari district is based exactly on the principle of self-determination, as the majority of the population in Dubăsari district, even in the separatist-cotrolled area, is ethnic moldavian, and don't like the separatist government, which was imposed to them by the Russian Army (which is still present in Transnistria).--MariusM 20:34, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

This would be a matter of opinion. I am basing my interpretation on the basis of the referendum results for Dubossary for 1990, 1991 and 1995. - Mauco 21:11, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the referendum. How Stalin said: "is not important who votes, is important who count the votes".--MariusM 12:32, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

For the most recent referendum, the Transnistrian authorities sent out 240+ invitations to NGOs and international organizations, including OSCE and the Council of Europe, asking them to come oversee the vote, the counting of votes, audit ballot boxes and electoral registries, etc. It is hardly the fault of Transnistria if these organizations refuse. If we here in the West want to continue call Transnistria undemocratic, then clearly the ball is now in our court and it is up to us to demonstrate just how this is the case. At any rate, we can not let any of this influence Wikipedia editing. - Mauco 01:00, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

A democratic referendum should include a democratic debate in the society regarding the outcome of the referendum. I can give 2 examples of democratic referendums regarding separation: Montenegru (succesful) and Quebec (unsuccesful). In both cases, authorities wanted the separation. In both cases, persons and organizations who don't want the separation were free to express their opinions, to make propaganda against separation, without fear of direct or undirect reprisal. Is not the case of Transnistria. An other problem is that some people who don't recognize the separatist government don't have transnistrian citizenship - they are automatically excluded from vote. This doesn't mean that all people who had transnistrian citizenship agree with separatist policy - some took the citizenship only to have some basic rights in their own country. The majority of transnistrian population have also moldovan citizenship. OSCE and the Council of Europe, when they didn't agree to recognize the referendum in Transnistria, had some good reasons.--MariusM 09:36, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

In 1998, Moldova had a territorial-administrative reform. From the raions system was passed to the districts one. Then, in 2003 – using the slogan of the territorial-administrative reform - the raions system came back. - Mauco 13:47, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

In Russian or Romanian the word raion is used, but in English I consider "district" a better translation. For the units of the 1998 territorial-administrative reform ("judeţe"), I would use the word "counties".--MariusM 20:34, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

It would not be a good idea to merge. This article is about the Transnistrian Administration Region only. See what user Constantzeanu said above, on 3 March 2006: "the transnistrian administrative raion and the moldovan raion of dubasari are two different things." - Mauco 21:11, 6 September 2006 (UTC)