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[edit] TURKISH REPUBLIC OF NORTHERN CYPRUS

In Vatican paragraph, the list of recognizing countires are given. Is this POV (for recognition)?, No. In TURKISH REPUBLIC OF NORTHERN CYPRUS paragraph, the report is given. Is this POV (for recognition)?, No. That is info. Annan's 2006 report on Cyprus and its hyperlink will be given as well as 2004, in near futureVista2010 11:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your GA nomination of Bishop Thomas

The article Article you nominated as a good article has passed , see Talk:Article for eventual comments about the article. Well done!

jackturner3 13:27, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! :) --Drieakko 16:47, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi Drieakko, Technology of the Song Dynasty article

As you've requested, I've organized those two sections into multiple sub-sections, made all block quotes normal font, not italic, and converted most of the text that was placed in parentheses into article prose instead.--PericlesofAthens 11:11, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Quick response and great work, passed GA! --Drieakko 11:59, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Awesome, that's very good news. Thank you, and it's good to see some Finns on Wikipedia. Do you think Finnish history on wiki is lacking (I've seen some articles you've edited)? It's good to know that there's a Finnish wiki project.--PericlesofAthens 14:53, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it is lacking big time. I have started to complement it from the 12-13th century upwards. There is work for years to come :) --Drieakko 15:36, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bishop Henry

Drieakko, as I am copy-editing the text of this article, it appears that much of it was written by a non-native English speaker (which I assume to be you). I hope that you will not be offended as I tweak the grammar and vocabulary throughout the article. Pastordavid 18:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, please go ahead! :) --Drieakko 18:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Drieakko, If you have not ever taken an article through the FA process, there is some useful advice here. In particular, it is best to not have any other projects going while having an article up as a FA candidate, as the process can take quite a bit of time and energy, and it is best to treat all criticism of the article as suggestions for improvement and do your best to implement them. Let me know when you are ready to nominate, and I will pitch in in any way that I can. Pastordavid 15:23, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for advice, I'll keep you posted! --Drieakko 16:45, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Estonian pirates

Dear Drieakko, could you please have a talk with User:Termer at Talk:Estonian pirates. He is the kind of user who sees "racist Scandinavian POVs" against Estonians, so it might be better if you, living in Finland, discuss it with him. Best,--Berig 10:15, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Replied there, hopefully not confusing the situation more :) --Drieakko 12:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for taking care of it :).--Berig 22:11, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Hej Berig, Hvorfor syns du at nogen fra Finland skal taler om det for dig? Tak skal du have!--Termer 16:11, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your welcome

Thanks, it was an interesting article. If you do nominate it for FA give me a link to the nomination, I'd like to see how it fares. Regards, Psychless 20:22, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

By the way, would you consider reformatting the citations in the article? Such as in Finnish Civil War, Reference books in different section, and notes only having websites and page references to books. I also implemented Template:Harvard citation to the Finnish Civil War article. See the article, if you'd like to have it. It takes quite some space though, and isn't really that better if you format the references and notes properly manually. I also nominated Finnish Civil War to FA and main page featured article, so if you want it to main page, you should immediately make a short main page description and put it here Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests. It took months for the FCW to get on main page, and now the queue is even longer. Anyway, the article looks good to me, I will claim my support later. --Pudeo (Talk) 11:22, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for advice, I think I'll take it into usage. The current way Bishop Henry is referenced is a bit messy for this part. --Drieakko 11:28, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Calendar of Saints (Lutheran) Featured List

Just so that you know, the article Calendar of Saints (Lutheran) has been split into two articles, one with the original title and another with the title of Liturgical calendar (Lutheran). The Calendar of Saints has gone up for Featured List review, but failed after only garnering three votes (three support, none oppose). I wanted to let you know, since it was at your suggestion that the article be split into the two current articles, so that when the article is renominated (hopefully later today or on Monday), you will be able to voice your opinion. I will let you know when the list is renominatied. Liturgical Calendar (Lutheran) has already been nominated for GA status and is currently under review. -- jackturner3 14:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok, please let me know as you renominate it. It is unfortunate if lack of interest fails nominations. --Drieakko 14:19, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
OK, the list has been renominated. You can find the discussion for it at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Calendar of Saints (Lutheran). Thanks -- jackturner3 14:41, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Gave my comments there now. --Drieakko 16:05, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Languages of Finland

Why have you removed my edit in the Finland article?84.251.73.218 10:21, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

It was a very strong statement and without a reference. --Drieakko 10:23, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Laponia

Hi Drieakko. Would you please explain why You undid my attempt to disambiguate "Lapland" [1]. Is it really preferable to keep the link to the disambiguation page? or can we find a better article to link to? --Leo Laursen ( T | C ) 20:05, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

In most of its meanings, Laponia is just "Lapland" in Latin. In that meaning, it is as disambiguous, and needs to point to a disambiguous page. --Drieakko 20:18, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
OK, I can accept that. In my view the meaning is imprecise rather than ambiguous, that was why I chose to link to the general area, but he subject is rather confusing, I think :-) --Leo Laursen ( T | C ) 21:04, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Easter Island

The template can be used for both coutries and territories. See, for example, Isle of Man. Cheers. ☆ CieloEstrellado 07:19, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thank you for the tip on editting and referencing. --Mcpaul1998 02:41, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What are yuo doing

Why you first delete unofficial finnish name and then edit back unofficial swedish name? Why, are you paid from swedish part? --Jommala 16:57, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Kindly take part in the poll before starting massive edits on your own right. --Drieakko 16:59, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I know you are User: Silenzio sockpuppet! And I have proves of it! --Jommala 21:17, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Please contact Wikipedia administrators to get your suspicions sorted out. --Drieakko 09:33, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Finland "Ruled by Sweden" or "Part of Sweden"

Although I haven't been party to any of the other edits on this I am a bit curious as to the distinction you are drawing, the reasons for doing so, and the wisdom of doing so.

"Ruled by Sweden" and "Part of Sweden" are both technically correct. Finland as a nation state of course did not exist until early in the 20th century, but there was clearly a different ethnic group in most of the area called Finland and surely the native Finns would have felt themselves as being "ruled" by a "foreign" power. I ise the word "foreign" here is used in the loose sense that the Finnish speaking Finns would have felt themselves to be culturally and linguistically different from their Swedish masters in Stockholm, where Finns had little or no political power.

Saying that Finland was "part of Sweden" is like saying that "Ireland was part of the United Kingdom" or that the "Karelian Isthmus is part of Russia". Though a political reality, it loses the sense that the area is largely under the influence of people other than the natives of that region. Surely "ruled by Sweden" conveys that reality. --Tom 10:30, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for having interest on this matter. There is however a clear difference between areas that were part of Sweden and areas that were ruled by Sweden. Finland was a part of the Sweden Proper already in the 14th century until 1809 when it was annexed by Russia. A person living in Finland had the same legal rights than a person living e.g. in Stockholm. However, e.g. Estonia, Livonia, German towns and Kexholm County were not parts of Sweden, but ruled by it. Their inhabitants did not have the same rights as the people in the Sweden Proper, as the areas were treated more or less as colonies. --Drieakko 10:36, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Finnish Orthodox Church

Sorry, the removal of the infobox was a mistake. Would you put it back?--Tellervo 08:16, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Done! :) --Drieakko 08:19, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Diearacco, As you have taken away big part of what I have written, I start understanding you. You must be a Fenno-Ugrian soldier. I think the history is an area of both unright and right. No one can know and if you turn your back on it, there's no way to know anything at all.

I was telling about the time after the Viking period to 1809. You took it all away. It still has excisted. It was about 750 years Finland and Sweden was a same and only country. Sorry if I remind you. In the beginning there were no borders at all.

Sorry if i offended you, it really wasn't my point of view.

I'm going to try again. Please don't come with rubbish about my being wrong.

PL —Preceding unsigned comment added by Päivi Laakso (talk • contribs) 16:06, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Finnish Orthodox Church II

I have restored the "speculation" you have removed. Without some general inferences one cannot write the history of very early times combined with scarcity of sources. Removals should be discussed first on the discussion page. --Tellervo 08:05, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Claiming it to be "certain" that Finns and Karelians took part in the Varangian trips is incorrect and will be removed unless you provide a source for it. The whole idea is unnecessary speculation and needs not be in Wikipedia. --Drieakko 08:18, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Advice about when a disambiguation tag may be warranted

Hi Drieakko, I am in a disagreement with a new user about when a disambiguation tag may be useful[2]. Pershaps, you have an opinion in the issue.--Berig 17:06, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Gave my 2c on the talk page. --Drieakko 12:44, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Justice Forever block

Where is the report? I can't find it. I think that 88.230.23.197 is a sock. It's fairly obvious once you look at the edit summaries. ¿SFGiДnts! ¿Complain! ¿Analyze! ¿Review! 17:29, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Which report are you looking for? Behavior of his earlier incarnation was reported to the Admin Incident Board sometime ago by me, after that I have just seen his sock puppets go down. --Drieakko 17:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
I see. So what should I do with this sockpuppet? ¿SFGiДnts! ¿Complain! ¿Analyze! ¿Review! 17:36, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Ignorance is usually the best way to deal with them. --Drieakko 17:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Here is the original incident post. --Drieakko 17:40, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Maakhir

I noticed that there were two people editing and I didn't look to see who did what so this may not apply to you. I've cleaned up the links (and made no other changes to the article) and just wanted to let you know the following. In the body of the article there should only be one link to other articles. In other words the first time that "Somaliland" is in the article link it, but not every time it appears. Also, please don't make direct links into redirects. The following are direct links to articles: Jibrell Ali Salad (Jibrell Ali Salad Aadan), Warsangali (Warsangeli), Mohamud Muse Hersi (Adde Musa), Dhulbahante (Dulbahante), Majeerteen (Majerteen), Las Khorey (Laasqoray) and Ceerigaabo (Erigavo). Also watch out for Dhahar which is just a redirect to Sanaag and not a link to the town. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 23:38, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok; those points seem to concern someone else. --Drieakko 00:24, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Just ignore it then. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 00:45, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion discussion

Hello, you contributed earlier regarding the list of Finnish Americans, so I thought you might like to see the discussion here. Badagnani 17:11, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Early Finnish history

Hello, as you have great amount of source material available on "early Finnish history" and obviously are a great editor in that area, would you mind to drop in in the Finnish Wikipedia? We've had discussion about whether the "Swedish rule in Finland" started in 1150 or 1250 fi:Keskustelu:Suomen_historia. Discussion about the crusades fi:Keskustelu:Ruotsin_vallan_aika_Suomessa#Kristinusko_saapuu-kappale and so on. Since you have written articles Early Finnish wars and Finnish-Novgorodian wars here, may I invite you to help us, if we create an article there, perhaps with the title "Suomen muinaiset sodat". Finnish Wikipedia lacks much information on these, and only has controversial stuff split in "Suomen kuninkaat" or "Kvenland". I noticed that you're a member on Finnish Wikipedia, but you haven't edited in ages. We'd really need an editor like you there too. So please, if helping us to create an article on early Finnish wars in fiwiki or anything interests you, drop by. --Pudeo⺮ 14:07, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for compliments. My edits recently to English Wikipedia have dropped quite a lot because I am very busy at my daily work (oh well even I need to get living from somewhere). But if I find time to drop by also to Finnish Wikipedia I definitely start from those subjects. --Drieakko 14:15, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Alright then, keep it in mind. By the way, did you already see that Bishop Henry will be featured on main page on 28th? Did you even suggest it? I mean wow, T-26 tank has been in queue for over a half year, and it took ages for Finnish Civil War. Good thing 28th is still Friday, so a lot of people will see it from their schools. Prepare for hell, I reverted 30 vandalist edits on Finnish Civil War during the 24 hours. :-) --Pudeo⺮ 20:07, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I noticed. I did not suggest it, but I sure was pleased to notice it to be featured. Thanks for warning, I've loaded my guns for Friday :P --Drieakko 03:18, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

So, I started the translation at fi:Suomalais-novgorodilaissodat. It's quite word-from-word from your text. Looks OK? Still have to translate the last two chapters. Wonder if someone is going to claim original research soon. Too bad there isn't any much used term, suomalais-novgorodilaissodat gets 0 Google hits... --Pudeo⺮ 17:53, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Good work! I translated the remaining part and made some corrections. Hardly need for OR claims, all is well referenced. For some reason, the subject itself is generally overlooked and many people have never even heard of it. --Drieakko 08:05, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations!

Congrats Drieakko for having your article on the front page!--Berig 13:50, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for noticing! After spending so much time with it, I was very pleased to see it selected for the front page :) --Drieakko 13:59, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Emergency user shutoff button

Hei! Saanko kokeilla tuota käyttäjän toimintahäiriön varalle tarkoitettua shutoff-painiketta omalla käyttäjäsivullani fi-wikissä? Hauska idea mielestäni. –Finlux 19:18, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I have lifted it from somewhere in Wikipedia :) so it's under GFDL. --Drieakko 19:20, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Ok. Thanks. Finlux 19:21, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Republic

Referring to your edit, are you sure? A lot of legal documents refer Finland as "Republic of Finland", see: [3] Same with some parts of the constitution, although it does not define any "official name".--Pudeo⺮ 12:32, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I was quite surprised with that finding myself, too. I went through the legislation and had to conclude that there was nothing about the "Republic of Finland" (Suomen tasavalta). No law seems to define that it is the official name of Finland. I'd guess that it comes from some governmental protocol department, but I really don't know. But it is not defined by the law. --Drieakko 13:04, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] House of Munsö

Hi Drieakko, I am still having the old dispute over the House of Munsö with user:Pieter Kuiper. He wants to remove stuff, while I want to keep in things that I find interesting. Please, join the discussion and give your opinion.--Berig 16:07, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh well. Replied there. --Drieakko 16:51, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Drieakko :-).--Berig 16:53, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Bartolomeos in Finland.jpg

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Well that was fast. I hope I got the copyright properly tagged. --Drieakko 18:31, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Economy of Finland Article

Hi Drieakko, I would like to know your reasons for reverting the article on Economy of Finland, to which I had contributed with standard infobox (which all other similar national economy articles have but Finland did not) and with a new structure that is not as seemingly infantile as the old one was. Instead of going back to the old edit, I would suggest that editors such as you would expand and modify the new structure and information. The old edit does not stand favorably in comparison to almost any other similar article depicting national economies of similar or even smaller stature. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.98.22.198 (talk) 12:17, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

My bad. Major uncommented edits by anonymous users easily get speedily judged. Good work there. --Drieakko 06:55, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Your GA nomination of Finnish Orthodox Church

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[edit] Wikipedia is a fre Encyclopedia but you are acting a king

Dear friend, You have sent me two warnings that look like a criminal record. The reason is that I have edited something in the history of Finland and Sweden. It looked like if I was charged!

The reason why you are angry is that I happened to delete a part of your text in misstake for months ago. I'm sorry about it and i'll put it back. Otherwise I don't like threaths or angry messages. And all the text you took away from me I'm going to replace again.

You do not own Wikipedia. The Wikipedia is a free Encyclopedia, free from churches, free from political athmospheres. If it bothers you that we are half swedes, don't read, please.

Love PL —Preceding unsigned comment added by Päivi Laakso (talk • contribs) 16:21, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] In the same vein as the editor above

I think it was a good nemesis to your utterly inconsiderate editing of the Finnish Orthodox Church, that you stumbled and fell flat with your proposed GA nomination. As to my supposed content forking, that is a lie! I haven't put anything from the websites you have enumerated to my article. As you can see from the references, - I have relied only on printed sources. --Tellervo 09:57, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] GA Sweeps Review: On Hold for Finnish-Novgorodian wars

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[edit] "Ilmatar invention" link

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[edit] Finnish War

This year marks the 200th anniversary on the Finnish War, which we are trying to show here on enwiki. I have recently begun translating the Finnish language wikipedia article into English in order to improve the enwiki article. Would you happen to be interested in helping out in the translation of the article? Otherwise I'll do it myself. It will just take longer. --MoRsE (talk) 00:21, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Out of curiousity

Do you have references for the following statement?

Finno-Ugric language spread to Northern Europe presumably 5000-6000 years ago. Finnic and Sami languages separated some 3000-3500 years ago. Ethnically "Sami" groups are not recognizable from archaeological findings of that era. People inhabiting the present-day Sami region back then and Sami people today most likely have nothing else in common except their genetics. --Drieakko 20:51, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I am curious because I am very critical of all forms of language-split-dating. The most widely accepted such dating attempt that I have heard of (Mikko Korhonen, 1981, Johdatus lapin kielen historiaan, SKS 370, Helsinki) has the proto-uralic language at 4000 B.C. (where you suggest Finno-Ugric language to have arrived into Northern europe) and the proto-Samic-Finnic split at 1000 B.C. (so at least a thousand years later than yours). I do not suggest that you are wrong, I merely would like to check the sources out of personal interest, as I don't particularly agree with Korhonen. Thanks in advance :) --AkselGerner (talk) 21:29, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

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