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[edit] Weapon pages

Do we really need pages for Icingdeath and Twinkle? There's so little information, they should just be under Drizzt's page. If no one objects by a week or so, I'll put them back on Drizzt's page. Mwsilvabreen 19:25, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

They will grow, and you can help. This constant moving of those two swords has been on for quite some time, with people putting replica sword images and quotos and such.
The swords did need their own page. There is additional information about them, for example, when the game City of Heroes implemented dual blade use, they made the default dual scimitars, to which the developers cited Drizzt as the inspiration. Felisse (talk) 18:24, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Drizzt's page is too long already for comfortable reading, and is filled with useless/misplaced informations, which direly need your attenation instead. Cynehelm 10:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Think about it, there will be no new information about the swords. There's so little info. on their page, the pages should either be merged or deleted. Mwsilvabreen 00:33, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
You kept stating that there is so little information, yet either Icingdeath or Twinkle are over 1.5 KB. Drizzt page is father to many such pages such as Guenhyver, Catt-brie, Wulfgar, Legacy of the Drow, Paths of Darkness, The_Hunter's_Blades_Trilogyetc. Information on these page were once in Drizzt's page. Once some section on this page had grown over-sized, or some facts are not suitable to be described in this page, wikipedians before youestablished new pages and moved those section there, effectively reducing the size of Drizzt's page to today's 22K, which is still too huge for comfortable reading. Those pages have since then grown well in size and content.
there will be no new information about the swords ? There are history entries for both articles now, statistics discussion between their differences in various sources, their apperances in various computer games, and surely somewhile ago people kept posting some real-life replica of these swords may come back anytime.Cynehelm 09:37, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I have a proposal that may please both sides of this argument. Merge the two sword articles (similiar to what I did with Stormbringer and Mournblade). That way, you can focus on the history of his weapons, which are significant, and keep the main article cut down in size. Turlo Lomon 09:35, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
That seems like a good idea. As for the size of the articles, who cares? theres almost no important information. Nowhere near enough to exist in their own articles. Mwsilvabreen 02:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Reviewing all three talk pages, there has been one "no" vote, while the rest of us concur that the pages should be merged. My idea is to have a page entitled Drizzt Do'Urden's weapons. Any objection to this? Turlo Lomon 06:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Icingdeath and Twinkle, while sound cool on the written page, are actually relativly minor weapons in D&D. On their own, they are not unique enough to rate their own page, even being tied to Drizzt. FYI, the most powerful (and the most dangerous) sword is tied to Cattie-brie, but being tied to a minor charcter (I like, I know!) also doesn't deserve it's own page. Drizzt's swords are neither important enough or unique enough to warrant their own page. They aren't Frodo's Sting ,ya know! Trekkiexb5 23:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Note. The article created is called Drizzt Do'Urden's scimitars. Adding this so people don't think it was deleted or moved again. Turlo Lomon 10:57, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to jump in here and while the pages have supposedly been merged there is absolutely no information about Twinkle or Icingdeath on this page. Why is it the merge was accepted but never acted upon? It looks very unprofessional to me =/ Hawk-McKain (talk) 02:04, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Redundant

Why is there the small Literature section under See Also, when there is already a much more in depth and larger section above? It serves no purpose. --Nashaii 01:33, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I've removed it. Mwsilvabreen 22:31, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Homeland

I just noticed that someone edited out Icewind Dale as Drizzt's homeland, and that brought up a good question. Where's Drizzt living now? Has he lived in Mithril Hall long enough to have it called his home? Mwsilvabreen 22:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Bias

The Fan Reaction section is horribly biased, and doesn't talk about his popularity at all. Drizzt //is// a very popular character, and the rambling, poorly written rant that is the 'Fan Reaction' section not only devotes a large amount of time to a fringe view, but does not speak about how his popularity pretty much propelled the Forgotten Realms setting into prominence and detail.

(Different author:) I agree. It should be removed by virtue of it being completely unsourced. That kind of rant belongs on a Livejournal, not on Wikipedia. Cite a source or remove it, my removals were reverted by Cynehelm without explanation. 69.161.130.123 01:39, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Drizzt's Homeland is Icewind Dale they only real home he has ever cared about as shown in the book the get Wulfgar back in right before The Silent Blade Therefore his home is Icewind Dale as is the rest of his common friends —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.119.123.28 (talk) 14:32, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:DrizztOmnibus.JPG

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BetacommandBot 21:31, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Servant of the Shard

Hey, just wanted to ask you Drizzt fans if one should read Servant of the Shard after "Spine of the World", before "Sea of Sword" or if one should just read it with the Sellswords series...? Lynorran 20:15, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Read it in the order it's supposed to be in. The Silent Blade, The Spine of the World, Servant of the Shard, and Sea of Swords.

[edit] Appearance

So.. He wears no pants? Seriously, I think you should break this up into two seperate parts: Appearance, and Wargear. Appearance would be him, and wargear would be his equipment. Just a suggestion to make it less confusing. Plus.. I'm pretty sure he wears pants. - NemFX (talk) 07:49, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Different Standard or Editor Bias??

It seems Drizzt is being held to a different standard for a fictional character. A quick check of Frodo Baggins, Bilbo Baggins, Count Dracula and Elric of Melniboné reveals that Drizzt has more reference's than all the theses other character’s combined. Now I am no fan of the Drizzt books, but this is an obvious bias by a certain group of editors who ultimately are working to get this article deleted. Web Warlock (talk) 16:42, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I have added 8 independent reviews of the character himself and how he relates to the books and sales of those books. I am removing tags. Web Warlock (talk) 17:29, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I have more to add, but I am out of time for today. Web Warlock (talk) 17:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Added a tag. Why is he listed as "one of the most popular fantasy characters in the history of fantasy" as a bald statement? Shouldn't there be at least a link to a 'most popular' survey or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.160.5.25 (talk) 15:09, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of in universe tag

More than half of the article is written from a real world perspective, consisting of a list of publications the character has appeared. I don't think the consensus here agrees that the amount of in-universe perspective in this article is excessive. If someone disagrees, then this is the place to discuss it. Rray (talk) 14:52, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I also edited out some of the excessively detailed sections of the article. If someone wants to discuss reincluding that information in a possibly more abbreviated form, this would be a good place to discuss that too. Rray (talk) 15:05, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I think that the in universe template is highly appropriate as the bulk of this article comprises of in universe plot summaries of the games and books in which this fictional character features. The sections entitled Appearance, Personality, Magical items, Combat/tactics, Biography, Relationships, and Drizzt's Spoken Languages are not about a real-world person, they describe aspects of this fictional universe. Please restore the template.--Gavin Collins (talk) 15:10, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
The article also includes significant amounts of information about the publication history of the character, which is real-world perspective. This makes the in-universe tag inappropriate, so I'll not be restoring it unless a consensus on the talk page demonstrates that they agree it should be re-added. Also, I've removed the sections regarding Magical items, Relationship, and Drizzt's Spoken Languages. Some in-universe description is fine in an article about a fictional character as long as it isn't excessive. Rray (talk) 15:14, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
There is no concensus, unless you are refering to your own opinion in isolation. Please restore the template. --Gavin Collins (talk) 15:17, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
So far only two of us have participated in the discussion, so no, there is no consensus. Your sole opinion in isolation is no more valid than mine. But I've actually edited the article to improve it by removing some of the in-universe trivia. (While you've done nothing more than add tags and issue instructions on the talk page here.) You might also find that you'll have an easier time of collaborating with other editors here if you'll drop the instruction-giving. You don't have any authority to tell me to restore a template I've removed. And telling other editors what to do is a poor way to build a consensus toward your way of thinking. Rray (talk) 15:23, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I've also removed the plot template, as I've edited out over half the plot-related content. Rray (talk) 15:25, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Just to be clear, I'm *not* advocating a restoration of the in-universe or "plot summary" tags. I would, however, advocate cutting the "biography" section in half (or more). There seems to be a lot of stuff that could be removed and still be a biography. (We also don't need to know what kind of clothes he wears, for example.) Given some more free time, I'd consider doing this, and will perhaps do some later. --Craw-daddy | T | 15:42, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I've removed over half of the in-universe content in the article already, but I'm not opposed to additional edits to the article. Perhaps Gavin might be willing to actually help edit the article and remove some of the in-universe content? I don't know that I'll have much more time to spend on it today. Rray (talk) 15:46, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I would just like the in universe template to be restored in the first instance. I think we are agreed that there is a WP:WAF issue to be addressed here. I can concede that the extent of the issue is a matter of opinion, but I think that this article has a problem with in universe content is a matter of fact.--Gavin Collins (talk) 15:59, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I disagree. I don't think the amount of in-universe content is a problem, and I don't think any of this is a matter of fact (as opposed to opinion). And I don't see any urgency to re-adding the tag. I'd suggest we wait to see what other editors think here on the talk page. Rray (talk) 16:08, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I think the biography thing can be heavily chopped down. It's overly flowery in a lot of places. This article could use a lot of work, mainly just condensing the prose. Until that's done, I support reinstating the tag, to remind editors of this need. Howa0082 (talk) 18:27, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
This article does focus too heavily on in-universe content. The Biography section is all in-universe. The Literature section is a glorified list, and even here, much of the text is plot summary. This article needs secondary sources and real-world content. For example, who created the character; how the character was developed during creation; what inspired the character; how critics judged the character; what impact the character has had on other role-playing games, movies, video games, etc.; merchandise related to the character. Pagrashtak 18:50, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
While the article itself is long, it is not overly long compared to other fictional biographies. AT THIS point I think it needs copyedited and the language tightened up a bit more. Kudos to Rray for doing so much already. Web Warlock (talk) 19:04, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
ETA - the article could be a little less fanish and more non-biased. Personally, I can't stand the character myself but I do know the following he has as well as the significance he has brought to the game. For example, maybe we could find a link somewhere that details how Rangers in 3.5 were re-worked to be more "Drizzt" like? Web Warlock (talk) 19:08, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I added a cleanup tag which I don't think will be controversial at all, considering that everyone here thinks the article can be better written. There is still some disagreement about whether or not the amount of in-universe content is too extensive though, so I'm not re-adding that tag yet. 21:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rray (talk • contribs)
I'm dropping out of this discussion and won't be working on any more RPG articles for a while. Best of luck to everyone here interested in improving the article. Rray (talk) 20:44, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] illustrating drizzt's scimitars

anyone know why Drizzt's Scimitars aren't drawn as scimitars? I'm reading the books for the first time, and I'm on the Legacy, and I can't take the horribly done pictures of Drizzt's scimitars anymore. i think lockwood's art is pretty good, except his stupidity kinda got me pissed. Only an idiot wouldn't be able to tell that those aren't scimitars. I mean, I don't know what kinda swords those are on the covers in Drizzt's hands, but they are definitely not scimitars. So 1st question: what kinda swords are they? and 2nd: what is Lockwood's IQ? --216.125.51.144 (talk) 17:54, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd reference you to the Wikipedia page on scimitar. It's pretty obvious that that's a scimitar, and looks almost exactly like Lockwood's art. The problem here is your preconception of the scimitar as a short, curved blade with a point on the rear edge, like the swords in Disney's Aladdin. This representation of a scimitar also appeared on some of the earlier cover arts of the Drizzt books, particularly the Dark Elf Trilogy compilation cover (artwork by Jeff Easley). This is probably closer to a falchion or some other version of a stylized Middle-Eastern-derived sword. I'd also like to note that it's poor form to insult an author or an artist, so I have to wonder why you're bothering to discuss this page if you have an obvious bias against its subject. Wikipedia is, in theory, an unbiased source of information, so reconsider your responses before you make them. Mnemosyne126 (talk) 19:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
1. Disney's Aladdin can't teach you anything except to not fear arabs, and other false information. 2. even with the pictures in the links that you gave, if you look at the swords in drizzt's hands, you'd realize that they are way too straight to be any of the scimitar family. and, more than their straightness, they also don't have guards, which is another characteristic that seems to be common in all of the scimitar family of swords. i would refer you to go see alladin, however, and figure out how you could learn anything from it. they changed a friggin' song, for god's sakes, just so people wouldn't get the correct idea about things, like the cutting off your ears if they don't like your face. and, as to the insulting the artist, i had said that his art was really very good, but he didn't have high intelligence. those two are not mutual inclusive, and you can have one without the other —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.125.51.145 (talk) 18:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Wow, way to take comments out of context. I was referencing a movie that most people have seen at one point in their lifetime, not a source of unimpeachable fact. As well, since you got me so wrapped up in the art itself, I went and took a look (http://www.o-love.net/realms/covers_large/pic_hun1.jpg), and do these scimitars looks like they don't have crossguards on them, or am I just confused? As well, the phrase you were looking for was "mutually exclusive." And before you make the "grammar doesn't matter" argument, how do you expect to convince people of a point without getting what you mean across correctly. Sorry if this seems like a bit overboard, but as an artist myself, I take offense when the peanut gallery heckles the talent. Also, sign your posts, that's just not classy. Mnemosyne126 (talk) 09:29, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Class

Says Ranger/Fighter, but he's also Barbarian. Full stats can be found here: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=fr/fx20010117d —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.114.169.168 (talk) 18:27, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


As the person above said but he is also prestiged as a devish dancer so he can wield his double scimitars more easily and gains extra abiltys for his fighting style for version 3.5 editon that is his class lvls for 3.5 would be Ranger 6 Fighter 8 Rogue 2 Dervish 1 Barbarian 1 this is also taking in his new incouters with the thound orcs and two swords books —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasonjinn (talk • contribs) 19:32, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why... Just why?

For the description of the first transitions book, The Orc King, its explains that the book is "the unification of the orcs and the rest of the goodly races" with a citattion, i'll admit. But the citation isn't a link. Also if the user that had done this had the read the book then, not just the preview, they would understand that this is not what is about. Really it's is about the continuation of the war, the internal waring or the Orcs, and then finally at the end after all the trouble between the 2 sides, the RELUCTANTLY unify ON PAPER! There is still a long way to go in terms of full unification. I am reverting to my change to the summary. Cheers Drizzt Jamo 23:36, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I had misread it as removal of a legitimate citation; I apologize. -Jéské (Blah v^_^v) 01:44, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Graphic novels

Article should probably note that the graphic novels are very abridged versions of each book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ForeverFreeSpeech (talk • contribs) 18:29, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Pic

haha yeah, the BRC one ElisaEXPLOSiONtalk. 12:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] add

since i can't, could somebody please add hr:Drizzt Do'Urden

thanks :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.61.147.29 (talk) 23:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)