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    [edit] Are juices considered soft drinks?

    If not I think juices should be included as its own category. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.83.117.169 (talk) 21:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] Comment 1

    Is squash (drink) a type of punch (drink)? If so, should they be merged? —msh210 23:32, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

    No. Squash isn't a mixed drink. 66.92.237.111 01:22, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

    [edit] Comment 2

    What about soft drinks? Shouldn't we have all drinks here?

    [edit] edited 08/2006

    Changed "et al" to "etc." throughout. The latin "et al" refers only to persons. 128.112.146.190 15:52, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] List

    Shouldn't we make list of drinks and move all the examples there? This article is awful list-y when it potentially could not be. 165.138.96.4 16:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

    Do you mean make a list of drinks as a new, separate article?

    Also, I have several complaints about the "hot beverages" section of the list. 1) Frappe: based on my experience of it as a milkshake in New England, and having read the entry on the Greek frappe, I don't believe it's ever a hot drink (although, I have no idea if or how Starbucks and the like may be using the term frappe nowadays). 2) Iced coffee is not a hot drink. 3) Teas, in addition to being drunk hot are commonly served iced. (And, in my experience, they can also be served at room temperature, e.g., unchilled "sun tea").Mystiree 14:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)Mystiree

    [edit] What?

    Where on Earth do people call the Ocean a drink? or Where do people "DRINK in the atmosphere" TAKE IN perhaps. When terms like this are used we should indicate WHERE they are supposedly used, therefore we can find out if this is actually accurate. Arthurian Legend 16:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

    I have heard both of these uses on many occasions; they seemed completely familiar to me when I read them in this article. I can't say when I first or last heard them, but I'd say probably throughout my life of 58 years. I have always lived in the northern United States: Michigan, New England, and Oregon. I believe both of these examples are in common usage throughout the northern U.S. and possibly elsewhere. Mystiree 14:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC) Mystiree

    The ocean is not called A drink, but THE drink. To fall into the drink, to fall off a boat, into the ocean. They're just idioms, for Christ's sake, don't be a prick. 68.98.50.49 16:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

    The use of "drink" in this manner is chiefly British ("Blimey, Inspector -- the bloke dove into the drink and I lost him!"). I don't know if it's really common any more. Cranston Lamont 03:18, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Shouldn't iced tea NOT be on hot beverages?

    The hot beverages list is all screwed up. I suggest we change that to brewed beverages, or infused beverages. --Vehgah 21:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


    [edit] Requested move

    One of the few Wikipedia articles to be cited in a court case: [1] - the wording is "To support this assertion, the Department submits the following definitions of “beverage” as found in various dictionaries and similar sources".

    Wikipedia:Naming conventions suggest "article naming should prefer what the greatest number of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature." There is a preference for the noun over the verb. The least ambiguous noun term for liquid consumed by humans is "beverage". The current term "drink" can be mistaken for drinking, and - at times - various editors have tried to edit the article with that confusion in mind, and others have then attempted to clarify that this article is about the liquid consumed, rather than the act of drinking, while others have introduced notions of "drinking in the atmosphere", etc. The article needs the clarity of being named simply and unambiguously about its topic. I propose that Drink be renamed as Beverage.

    As Beverage is currently a redirect to this article, this is not a straightforward move and requires support before being carried out. SilkTork *SilkyTalk 19:53, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


    [edit] Requested move

    The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

    The result of the proposal was not to move --Lox (t,c) 08:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

    Drink → Beverage — For reasons of simple clarity, ease of use, and to avoid confusion and ambiguity. —SilkTork *SilkyTalk 19:53, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Survey

    Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
    • Support for the reasons given above. SilkTork *SilkyTalk 19:53, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Strong Oppose. Drink is a much more well-known term. Georgia guy (talk) 00:51, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Oppose. Drink is a far more common term; Beverage is pretentious. We'd never speak of the 12th man carrying the beverages, or ask someone would you like a beverage. Andrewa (talk) 03:45, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Oppose. "Beverage" is not a common name compared with "drink". --DeLarge (talk) 15:38, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Support May not be common, wait, yes it is it's listed at evry McDonald's I've been to and every other resturant I've been to. Nevertheless, i support the reason stated for the move.--72.186.91.47 (talk) 07:16, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and Andrewa --Lox (t,c) 19:51, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Discussion

    Any additional comments:

    comment - just because it's not spoken commonly doesn't mean it's not common.--72.186.91.47 (talk) 07:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

    The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

    [edit] Definition of beverage regarding water

    I've edited the page to take the conflicting definitions of 'beverage' and whether or not it includes water into account. The issue is nicely investigated and summarised by the court case Wikipedia was cited in, which you can read here around pages 5 - 9. --78.151.155.177 (talk) 22:59, 6 January 2008 (UTC)