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[edit] Factual accuracy of dres
I try to keep up with Polish culture, I really do. But I had not heard of the dres before. How much of this article is really true? --EuropracBHIT 00:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC).
I'm from Poland and as far as I can tell this article is accurate. Dres actually do exist, they can be easily found in most of the medium-to-big cities, and in smaller ones too. Their characteristics and typical behaviour depicted in the article are true.
Yes dres do exist and although i live in england i have Polish relatives and cousins who talk about them all of the time. They are often linked with football hooliganism in Poland as well. This article is accurate.
Dresy are a Polish reality, but the article is erroneous in that it describes them as being from, "generally from smaller towns and villages". Anyone who has been in Warsaw, Poznan, Wroclaw, Lodz or Krakow, knows that dresy constitute a significant group in large cities. (Polish dresy are also present in Toronto, Chicago and London) The article also has emotionally charged words, it is rather bias. There is no evidence or truth that dresy have "no respect for environmment, littering in public places". Also, dresy do not listen to disco polo music, this is a joke made up by the author to make dresy look bad. (Disco polo is widely seen as music polular in small towns) Also, there is a significant difference between Polish dresy and English chavs in that the latter are primarily not interested in working out and bodybuilding. While this is a prevelant characterisitc in Polish dresy. -Olo_yyz
- All this (admittedly ancedotal) evidence about the existence of the dres makes me feel a little more comfortable with the concept. Why do you think dres tend to bodybuild, whereas a chav may not? Thank you for the points about what sort of music dres seem to listen to. And all of you, get wikipedia accounts, please. If you would like to, that is. I cannot speak to the charge about how they don't respect the environment as I do not remember that being emphasised in the article. --EuropracBHIT 09:54, 22 March 2006 (UTC).
Lack of respect for the environment comes from wider idea of not respecting any public property by dres. It is common for dres to e.g. throw an empty beer bottle to the sidewalk, an additionaly be very amused by the fact of doing so. As far as I am concerned, the article is correct. Dr_Bds
The article's content is certainly true from a Polish point of view, in most areas. I removed the factual accuracy template. --82.139.47.117 21:32, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
The article is fairly correct, the word 'dresy' is widely used, and it refers to something that is very real. The greatest problem with the article is that it conflates many distinct types of violent youths into one rather heterogeneous category (but again, the precise use of the word 'dresy' does not seem to be fixed and varies from person to person). I can't agree that 'kark' is synonymous with 'dres'. 'Kark' refers specifically to the ones with big necks (as a result of anabolic steroids). As some people have noted, showing "no respect for the environmment, littering in public places" is nothing 'ideological' and should probably be removed. The disco polo thing - it's true dresy used to be identified with this type of music, but definitely aren't now. Most importantly, I can't agree that dresy are in any way 'sport oriented' (barring bodybuilding with steroid abuse) - I find this statement grossly incorrect and I will take it out from the article (please discuss before reverting). Ariosto 21:15, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
I am from Poland, but I am not a good english writer. But I can say that this definition is wrong (on find this link at news group with funny sites). So question is what is the polish dres? short answer: polish dres (dres=dresiarz, and also tracksuit)is a young men whose wear tracksuit but only oryginal (in most cases stolen one, but now they buying new in shops). In Poland somebody who wear tracksuit with 4 stripes is wiesniak (williage man, men who lives in country side). They always bald (hair must be shorter than 5 mm), most of them smoking, everyone drink (beer, vodka) ofen they meet in groups around banch (tolking abot "normal" life, girl, parts, drags) and they used much of sword words (but is normal), they like fights and stoling thing; about music - hip-hop but in a few precent it can be something else but not a metal music... and there are much more details about dresiarz's life. Maybe you do not see a difrence beetwen the article and my definition but is really big (and I will not finished it) [user:przemi;23:38 UTC+2 (?); 6 december 2006]
Hmmm; I think this article needs a cleanup...the writing style led me (and others as demonstrated here) to believe this to be a spoof! But a good one at that...any takers in adapting a few words would be appreciated...if not, I'll have a go in a few days.Fishystick 23:20, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
very true (am Polish)
The jokey anthropologist-among-the-primitives writing style of the article may lead you to believe the article is a joke, but everything seems correct. I live in Poland and I see these guys every day. I can't vouch for the terms ("dres" and so on, though "bloker" is a common term and is heard in the media), but the physical descriptions (the bullnecked guys with the hilarious strut, the tanning bed girls, the chav-like dress and behavior, etc.) are mostly familiar to me. I figure the article was written by university students ("Many social groups — university students in particular — believe dresiarze are a genuine social group worthy of further study.") who are conversant with the appropriate terminology (or creative with neologisms) and who love to laugh at (but probably fear being beaten by) the "dresy" they mock here. By the way, here is a link (in Polish) about "dresy" that seems to back up the article. Eeksypeeksy 13:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
When in Latvia (Liepaja actually) I was given a description of something sounding very much like dres so they probably exists there too. The trainers was described as having Adidas look-alike striped added afterwards. // Liftarn
This articule is a rather a parody or a sathire than a real description. It's written with hate towards a certain subculture and it's using most of the "gags" from Polish Satyric programs etc. Which often laugh at this subculture. I'm not defending them but this no "Nonsensopedia" where you can write what you want. "The Dres" are just like any other teen culture with a certain style of dressing(Skinheads, Mods,Teddy boys.etc.) They like to beat people, wear fancy closes, drive nice cars etc. Does that differs from any other "tough" subculture? I think not. This article is written from a one sided point of view. There was a subculture like that in '90. But since then they totally merged with the Hip-hop fans and formed exacly the same model as in England and other countries.
Still very true! Recently (Dec. 2007) even seen several Polish-speaking examples in Holland. To preceeding commentator - Dres is certainly "negatively loaded stereotype". Every uniformly dressing subculture is sterotypical. And word of "dres" is usually negatively loaded, because of association with violence and crime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.18.166.63 (talk) 16:16, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] fake brands
(fake brands like Addidas, Nike or ReeBook)
Nike is not a fake brand - it's one of the famous one. Marooned --65.91.97.66 22:45, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
- We still have much illegal clothes, especially in the center of our capital, so these guys ("Dresy") buy fake clothes with nike or puma symbol. It's illegal of course, but it's true. Nike-alike jacket cost ~10 zł (2,5 €; 3 $). Original costs about 100 zł (25 € / 33 $). MichuNeo, --87.205.38.6 19:27, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
The phrase "Popular knock offs [...]" should be replaced by "The most popularly knocked off designs [...] ".
How page like this can be on Wikipedia, it's stupid joke ...
[edit] Disambiguation with plural of Dr (doctores)
Should there be a page added that lists an alternative meaning? "Dres" is also the short form of "doctores," used when listing a number of individuals each holding a doctoral degree.
Example: instead of "Dr. Miller and Dr. Rubinstein," one could say "Dres. Miller and Rubinstein."
[edit] Hate toward minorities propaganda
I have removed that part about "dresiarze" as being against Muslims and Black people as unsubstantial and unreferenced. It's a common knowledge that the prominent politicians who ruled People's Republic of Poland between 1944 and 1989 promoted idea that Poland was nationalistically oriented - one nation and one race - inciting hate in citizens toward the other nations and races, and that idea exists to this day. But this is contrary to historical heritage of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, which always consisted of as many nations, races and denominations as today is U.S. of A. "Dresiarze" are not the exeption, many of them are of minority descent too. greg park avenue 17:52, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
--- I can confirm that Dresy i've encountered in my life were usually racially indifferent, sometimes having some mild prejudices and believing naive stereotypes, but never hostile toward any race, subculture or minority. There are even signs of international collaborations , often very fruitfull, altrough sometimes involving unrelated victims of such. Curious666 04:33, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Cleanup tags
While I agree with most of the cleanup tags being added to this I don't think "globalize" is appropriate - it's a Polish subculture after all. Definitely needs some referencing though, which would help strip out POV problems anyway.Purgatorio 11:46, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
This is about tag cleanup. As all of the tags are more than a year old, there is no current discussion relating to them, and there is a great deal of editing done since the tags were placed, they will be removed. This is not a judgement of content. If there is cause to re-tag, then that of course may be done, with the necessary posting of a discussion as to why, and what improvements could be made. This is only an effort to clean out old tags, and permit them to be updated with current issues if warranted.Jjdon (talk) 20:14, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Dresy as urban decay disease
Commieblocks seem to have limited decay rate, usually stated by expiry date of gas-concrete from which they are built, or plainly set by economic timings (paying off loans, finishing production of another human(s)). This is mainly valid for places where commieblocks were built as cheap housing for mentally disabled or otherwise infatuated individuals forming specific "Ghettos"
"Dresy" seems to be one of form of autistic dementia, and contains most characteristics of chronic psychopatia. The uniformity of 'culture' is perhaps same similiar to uniformity of pyjamas in loonatics, yet we don't call loonatic 'social group' or 'culture'.
Many of "Dresy" die in car accidents, often after periods of drug abuse. Hard drug abuse is always taboo, or theme of paranoid ideations among circles of "Dresy" which could be explained by susceptiblity of autistic population to drug abuse to controll emotions.
If one adds to picture that "Dresy" persist in infantile phase unable to integrate old age as part of their "culture" it is clearly visible that most of article should be re-written, and hypothesis of "Dresy" as phenomenon of culture which (Gross!) has it's origin in minimalist music should be considered more or less falsified.
High levels of boredom and agression might be related with object-oriented, related to "kitch experience" sexuality (part of commerical products choices, thus accepting critique of feelings without remorse and guilt resulting as conscience impulses and requiring high frustration levels due to need of performing decision) comorbid with substance abuse, of which consist androgen-hedonistic-gene triggering type, thus lowering oxytocin levels (cocaine, alcohol, methamphetamines, anabolic steroids, often bodybuilding mixtures)
Frustrated emotionally "Dresy" can be sometimes found roaming across streets , trying to release of their frustration. To indicate this occurs mainly during crisis of their existence one can point to violation of their attachment to their car, with which substance abuse greatly interfere , and often lead to law problems. It's unclear if love to car is stronger than substance abuse and roaming dresy are forced to roam by foot by anxiety of law , or being already punished by it. Sometimes expressions are found around places where roaming dresy meet, containing just letters HWDP. what it means is subject of research and strong clues indicate it might be somehow related to life of "Dresy" , (certainly is not any band or has no communicative meaning (like behaviour of 'tagging', where teritory can be tagged) )
"Dresy" usually don't seek psychiatric attention, unable to integrate basic rules of theory of mind. Curious666 04:33, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
few other characteristics come to my mind which are quite uniform in at least Lower Silesia area : poor vocabulary (which is even anectodatlly pictured in phreaking article about "Dress communication system" using set of 'named' cellphones with words as specific social group semaphores))
Functional analphabetism is rare, which again suggests it's psychopatia resulting from autistic spectrum personality disorder. Dresy can be very fluent in written word, and often participate in online chatrooms and forums. Curious666 04:43, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
- What does any of this have to do with the Wikipedia article Dres? If this is your personal essay, it has no place on this talk page. Deiz talk 06:43, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Honda Civic
Why there was a Honda Civic in the favourite dresiarze car section? They are known for his love for German cars noted in the article, and I don’t think that Civic, generally unpopular car in Poland (albeit I see a the new model quite often) is often used by dresiarze. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.154.64.67 (talk) 16:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
