Talk:Dream interpretation

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  • Pre-merge; archived by Mgreenbe 10:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
    Contains (inappropriate?) excerpt, requests for action, questions about interpretations of specific dreams.

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[edit] Merge

I've merged in applicable material from oneiromancy and archived the talk page. A fresh beginning! --Mgreenbe 10:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Harmony

This is not non-point of view. It needs to be tagged, but I don't know how.

Nevermind, I just got rid of the offending bit about people always being amazed by his skill.

[edit] Freud

Please go through and cite each point you make from The The Interpretation of Dreams. If you do, I think you will find that some of the points made are not directly from Freud, but are the result of your interpretation. Those should be deleted. Especially be careful of how you use "superego" and "ego" etc. The concept of "superego" came about in 1923, long after Freud wrote "The Interpretation of Dreams", and the word "superego" appears only in two little footnotes of later editions.

The superego does not censor dreams, rather dreams are censored by a device that works to prevent the sleeper from awaking by censoring dangerous material that would surprise the dreamer's consciousness and cause him or her to wake up. Correct me if I am wrong, but the preconscious doesn't have anything to do with this. The preconscious has no agency. It doesn't act on its own. It merely is the store room for information accessible but generally not in the consciousness itself.


Another problem is the your discussion of nightmares. Where did you find that? Certainly not in The Interpretation of Dreams. I am not a psychologist, I am just interested in psychoanalysis. If Freud made the statements that you accredited him with making, I would be interested in reading them. But your article doesn't cite its sources, so I can't go and read about them. Helping people to find information is one of the functions of the Wikipedia. So please finish your work.


One more point -- the dream work: It is very clear that the first dream work is condensation and the second is displacement. But the third should be "considerations of representability" Symbolism falls into that category, symbols are the way that thoughts are represented. But don't listen to me re-read the book and make adjustments. By the way page numbers should be from the standard edition (available at a university or big public library... it's blue and is made up of 20 volumes)

I can see that you put hard work into this page, and I do not want to make changes to your work, but somebody will if you don't make proper adjustments Each sentence must be well thought out. Each piece of information must be verifiable. Tens of thousands of people will be reading your work!


[edit] Jungian Emphasis

Jung appeared to emphasize the "purposive compensatory" aspect of dreams, and the "personal, subjective interpretation" of dreams. He also pointed out that comprehension of dreams can be accessible, but the capability is problematic. Often long dry spells are experienced by the subject in which dreams are not comprehensible. On a related point, Jung stressed that for symbols (as distinct from signs) the number of meanings possible is/are more or less inexhaustable. This compounds dream interpretation, but adds a richness of dimension not admitted by more simplistic methods.

[edit] Dream Interpretation site

I am asking permission to add a link to my dream interpretation site as I feel it is relevent and useful to this subject. I also wanted to add a link to the Dream Dictionary page as the dictionary on my site is an unusual one and helps readers come up with their own definitions.

www.easy-dream-interpretation.com

www.easy-dream-interpretation.com/dreamdictionary.html

Thanks for your consideration, Krista O'Connor Kristao 14:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Krista, as far as I can tell, your site isn't based on a particualy widely accepted methdology, isn't well known in dream interpretation circles and hasn't been mentioned by many (or any even?) siginficant publications. Our external links guidelines are not the most easy to follow but they do make it clear that external links need to be more than just relevent and useful, they need to add encyclopedic value. Your site seems to be more about people having a go at dream interpretation without making it clear what theory they are following, than about applying rigorous academic thought to dream interpretation. It doesn't seem to meet the level required to be included in an encyclopedia. --Siobhan Hansa 17:09, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External links section

The links in the external links section under Other related links appear to be of dubious provenance and lacking in encyclopedic value. In particular, none of the sites talk about the theories they are based on, none are peer reviewed or in any other way meet the standard for reliable sources, and most of them are basically doing the same thing - suggesting people keep dream journals and providing a "dream dictionary" to look up possible meanings. People are perfectly capable of searching for "dream interpretation" on google to find these sorts of sites. Ones we list here ought to be authoritative and well respected by experts in the field - and from what I can find, there really aren't any sites like this. Also the first four:

  1. Valasearch Dreams Section
  2. Dream Interpretations Based on Ancient Traditions
  3. Dream Interpretations
  4. Dream Dictionary

Appear to be google adsense revenue generation sites, and one is solicitning for email addresses. All of this is out of keeping with our external links guidelines and fails to add encyclopedic value to the article. I'd like to delete all of the links currently under Other related links, thoughts from other editors? --Siobhan Hansa 13:42, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree, these links clearly do not meet the criteria laid out in Wikipedia's external links guidelines. They should be removed from the article. Editors should please abide by the external links guidelines and avoid adding links to sites that aren't reliable. Thanks, Gwernol
Does that kevinnwilson link need to be there at all, let alone twice, it seems a bit odd? Also there are two sites with freudfile in the URL, one might be spoofing the other or they're owned by the same person, and they are both selling an e-book and online courses. I don't think we need those links either? Jonathanpops 09:05, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
The freudfile ones appear to have been spammed by an IP address who also adds links to another site registered to the same person - I've removed them. The Kevinwilson site looks like a personal site which I don't think is appropriate for a subject like this. But if it's kept the two links seem to be the only reasonable way to make both the Freud and Jung articles available to readers - site navigation is not very friendly. I'm definitely not looking to keep the articles though. -- Siobhan Hansa 12:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Catholic encyclopedia article

This was posted on the article by User:JASpencer but it seemed more like a request to editors than and encyclopedic addition so I'cve moved it here.

This article has a corresponding article from the public-domain Catholic Encyclopedia http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05154a.htm that could be used as a source in this article, but with caution, as it may be out of date, or may reflect the point of view of the Catholic Church as of 1913.

Category:Articles that could be expanded from the Catholic Encyclopedia

-- Siobhan Hansa 05:32, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion this seems like a fair synopsis of most Christian views towards Dream Interpretation - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05154a.htm JASpencer 11:41, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] harmony

This peice is just an add and has nothing to do with dreams as a concept, i there for remove it totaly ¨¨Morten Svendsen¨¨ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.212.94.183 (talk) 06:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Recent external link additions

Two links:

and

Have been added a couple of times. These don't appear to be appropriate.

The first seems to be a self published site with no clear provenance. Other than the domain names registration details it seems to be anonymous. And the second while it has some of the trappings of authority (it's published by the Wilhelm-Griesinger-Institut and is at least not anonymous) still doesn't seem to be significant. There are thousands dream theorists around and including them when they do not already have a significant reputation is against our core policies. It's possible I've missed something in my research and Flöttmann is in fact significant, in which case I really think we need to put his work in context by including well sourced content in the article itself - not simply a link in the external links section. -- SiobhanHansa 09:58, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

The unclesirbobby link was re added by the site's owner (see: [1] and [2]) and I have removed it again. Editors are specifically asked not to add links to sites they are involved with directly to the article (see our guidelines). Please gain consensus on this talk page before re-adding it. -- SiobhanHansa 18:03, 19 March 2008 (UTC)