Talk:Drake Hogestyn

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[edit] Recent changes...

...introduced into the article by me are being wrongly scrutinized by two particular users. Allow me to explain the changes for the benefit of those who may not understand:

1) Days of Our Lives is a soap opera. There is a Wikipedia article on soap operas. There are some editors who believe that the term is outdated and should be replaced with "daytime drama". If this were the case, then the Wikipedia article would be called "daytime drama" and not "soap opera". There is nothing wrong with clarifying this, and I'm glad to see that it has stuck with the successive revisions of this article.

2) Titles of television programs and movies should be italicized. As we all know, this is a Wikipedia guideline found in the Manual of Style. When I first stumbled upon this article, I noticed Days of Our Lives was not in italics anywhere. When I fixed this, I was immediately met with resistance from another user. With the help of an admin, this also has remained correctly in the article. On that note, there is no need for quotation marks for TV and movie titles when they are in italics (eg. Kelly, Kelly -- that has been fixed).

3) NBC may own a piece of the program, and may lend its Burbank facilities for filming, but when I watch the end credits, the two production companies I see are Corday Productions and Sony Pictures Television -- not NBC. To say that NBC is a co-producer of Days is incorrect. Again, an error someone stubbornly insists in keeping in the article has been fixed and clarified.

Despite what CelticGreen and IrishLass0128 may think, the article needs to be written and corrected in such a way that will appeal to the Wikipedia community at large, and not just to fans of Days or soaps in general. I stand by my changes, and my reasons for making them. Rollosmokes 07:23, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Let's address this as you seem to be missing the final changes that were made by end of day yesterday and just reverted back to "your" version.
1. The final version said "American soap opera" ~ what's the problem?
2. The titles were italicized including Kelly, Kelly. Again, what's the problem?
Regarding the quotation marks, that is because of the linked reference and that general grammar styles dictate in that particular sentence quotation marks be used. It's not all about MOS, it's about good grammar too.
3. NBC does own the show, I have many a Soap Opera Digest that indicates that and can very happily get you a screen cap that shows NBC owning the show. As "Corday Productions" does not have a page and Ken Corday does, the link accurately goes to Ken Corday. If you read the sentence as it stands, it is correct, Ken Corday is the co-executive producer of the show and he has not, nor has Ed Scott, the other co-executive producer made a statement on Drake's status with the show.
I would suggest you read what is there before reverting to YOUR version and not seeing things like the changes you insist weren't there. Daytime drama, soap opera, who cares? It says soap opera now, so I don't understand the tirade. The issues you address are resolved but you are not seeing that. Tampa goes to the Tampa, Florida page, the Seven Brides for Seven Brothers link is in there twice. One goes to the actual section for the show and one goes to the top of the article, that is not an issue yet you keep reverting that change for no reason. It goes to the same article, why do you insist on changing it? It's things like that that confuse me. Quite honestly, your hostility in the matter also perplexes me. IrishLass0128 12:58, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Note - I have made considerable changes and added many citations. I removed the tag at the top and sourced to good references material in the article. I have re-worded the statements regarding "John Black's" character and made additional substantial changes. Do not revert just for kicks and giggles. This is an article that needed cleaning up and I have done so regardless of your hostile attitude. Please show respect and assume good faith something you have indicated is a problem. IrishLass0128 14:41, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
  • How can there be any respect and "good faith" when the same mistakes were made AGAIN?? Not to mention your attempt to twist the truth -- I'm the one who corrected the redirects to Tampa and Seven Brides for Seven Brothers. I also highlighted the incorrect use of quotation marks for the mention of Kelly, Kelly (again, TV shows and movies get italics, not quotations).
I've done my part and explained my changes, only to have everything undone again. Compare the edits ([1]) and please explain why you continue to revert to your PREFERRED VERSION. Rollosmokes 16:38, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Since you are PAINFULLY unwilling to behave in a respectful manner based on the above, I'll ask another admin to assist on this. You have stated you refuse to show good faith, therefore it is obvious that it will be impossible for you to work with others. IrishLass0128 16:42, 23 October 2007 (UTC)