Talk:Dragunov SVD

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Contents 1 Photo 2 Defining "Dragunov" 3 Title 4 The picture 5 Pictures 6 Dragunov photos 7 Fiction / Popular Culture 8 .338 Lapua? 9 unsure 10 Under Battlefield use 11 Remove the pornographic picture 12 Medved Rifle? 13 Price

[edit] Photo

Since this article is about the SVD, shouldn't it include a photo of an actual Dragunov rather than a PSL? Musha 10:51, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I changed the picture. Could someone identify the soldier's country and change the caption accordingly?--Gяaphic 12:21, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Looks like a russian trooper. Most probably, from "internal forces" of MVD. --jno 15:17, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Defining "Dragunov"

One of the biggest current debates that exist on the "Dragunov" Rifles is whether only NDM/SVD based rifles are the only rifles capable of holding the title "Dragunov". Though some of the components and mechanics of similiuar rifles differ from the SVD/NDM rifles, (ex. Zastava M76, Romanian RomAK-3/PSL marksman/sniper rifles), their appearanace and action are remarkably similuiar, effective range, ammunition, and several exterior parts are compatible with the SVD/NDM and vice versa... In many cases, modern AKM-based marksman rifles (ex. Romak-3) have been known and found to more accurate at longer ranges with a wide variety of ammunition than a Izhmash or Norinco "Dragunov" SVD/NDM, and far more reliable due to true AKM-based mechanics.

One could arguably note that since the SVD is the only true "dragunov" designed rifle, the chinese NDM should also not be reffered to as a "Dragunov" rifle. While many say the NDM is the closest in design to the SVD russian Dragunov, just as the RomAK-3 (aka SSG-97, PSL) or Zastava M76, it is not of russian design by Evgeniy Fedorovich Dragunov, and therefore, is not an authentic rifle that would be classified as "Dragunov".

Like the AK-47, there are many variants that differe considerably, and if one was to thin Dragunov variant, the Romak-3 and M76 fall well within the range of influenced by and romanian variation of a "Dragunov" rifle, classyfying it as a "Dragunov" variant, like the NDM.

It could be categorized as SVD/NDM-based "Dragunov" variant, and AKM-based "Dragunov" variant rifle(s). beavermatic

[edit] Title

Although the title is the proper name SVD, shouldn't the common words be translated to English, per WP:UE: "Dragunov Sniper Rifle" or "Dragunov sniper rifle"? —Michael Z. 2006-01-11 20:16 Z

I agree, the translation is straightforward. GregorB 16:17, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Since there was no objection, I moved it and adjusted the intro. —Michael Z. 2006-01-14 16:40 Z

[edit] The picture

Why is there a picture of a rifle (Romanian PSL) that has little to do with a Russian Dragunov SVD? I have several pictures of SVD's and there are many floating around the Web. How do we add a picture of a real Dragunov?

I agree. The article is about the Dragunov, so therefore should display a picture of a Dragunov. Musha 08:32, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

I agree, an actual dragonov rifle should be pictured. This could be either a schematic or profile photograph, preferably both.

[edit] Dragunov photos

I can provide photos of 2 Dragunovs (US Tigers) if I am instructed how to do it.

login to Commons, click on Upload link, fill-in the form (pay attantion to the License choise!) -- voila! --jno 10:11, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fiction / Popular Culture

I have moved the "Fiction" section out to a separate page (Dragunov in popular culture) in keeping with en effort to move such sections where they become too long. It also aids in the inclusion of pages such as List of firearms in films and List of firearms in video games without even going into the pro's and con's of having such references as part of a firearm's page (few pro's, but some con's include):

• they clutter the page
• the list will grow forever with every new video game release
• it does not really contribute much to information regarding the firearm in question unless it's really central like the PPK and James Bond.

See any number of other pages (and their discussion pages) where this split has been made:FN P90, Heckler & Koch PSG1, Heckler & Koch MP5, 1911 etc. etc. etc.)

• What about List of firearms in films, or List of firearms in video games

? SVD isn't in there.

[edit] .338 Lapua?

I've seen at least once source say the rifle is available in .338 Lapua. Anyone confirm or deny?

It would seem unlikely given the different between the 7.62x54R and .338 Lapua cartridge. On the other hand, I suppose it's possible with the right amount of engineering. 198.236.216.252

There is a version made for a new Russian 9mm cartridge (9.3 by 64 mm), which is a lot like the .338, but they are not the same thing. There is a page on it on Izhmash's website: [1] Moonshiner 21:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Very interesting. Thanks for the link.

[edit] unsure

is this female sniper using a SVD in the 2003 film .50 Woman ? Thanks for any help. Buenaparte Social Club 14:26, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Rifle in picture is not an SVD nad the SVD is not a .50 cal weapon either. --Deon Steyn 07:40, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

hey thank you! ok i'll search what it could be then (.50 woman is the name of the movie). Buenaparte Social Club 17:37, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok people found the model. It is an US sniper rifle "RAI 500" (Research Armament Industries Model 500). Specs are available here if interested. Buenaparte Social Club 13:30, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Interesting, your mission – should you choose to accept it – is to create a page for this rifle :-) --Deon Steyn 08:51, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I accept! Here: RAI 300 It still needs a lot of work.... It's a start, though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CeeWhy2 (talk • contribs) 02:32, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Under Battlefield use

"As seen in the picture, guerilla forces may adopt considerably more informal tactics than used by professional armies: this insurgent may make up to some degree for a lack of a spotter by adopting positions on the fly." What picture? Carnivorous caveman 21:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Remove the pornographic picture

How do one remove the picture which is not of an Russian rifle? I can't find a link to the picture in the text...

- Turbogooner —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Turbogooner (talk • contribs) 10:50, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Medved Rifle?

Isn't the Medved hunting rifle a variant of this arm? Might be an interesting addition. 66.191.17.168 04:03, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Price

The general pricing for the weapon is not mentioned; given that the AK47 only costs around 100$ (see the wikipedia's article references), this rifle too should be cheap (I suppose). This as it too was mass produced and is used all around the world and in the developing world. Perhaps a general price can be added to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.245.181.73 (talk) 17:23, 25 September 2007 (UTC)