Talk:Dragan Vasiljković

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[edit] helpme

Hello!I edited this talk page because i don't know what is wrong with the page i edited-Dragan Vasiljković-so i would like someone to say something about it as soon as possible so i can fix it.I don't know why was that box placed on top of the article,but i would like to know what should i do to make it go away.--Captain ginyu 18:57, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, the article was tagged with cleanup. From the article, it needs wikification, (making links), and needs spaces between punctuation. Let me know if you require assistance. :) GfloresTalk 19:01, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
The few things that I see that needed cleaning up would be:
  1. A citation for what issue of the journal The Australian had an article about the man, including date of publication
  2. Clean up the punctuation and grammar of the "War crimes" section
  3. The last paragraph said that Australians thought that something was "absurd". What Australians said this? Was this printed anywhere? Is there a quote that can be used like "Such and such leader of the Australian government stated in an interview that "X" was absurd"?
Dismas|(talk) 23:13, 28 March 2006 (UTC)


The language used in this article is simply appalling and something needs to be done about it. I have made some head way into correcting the language and hope that someone else will do the rest.

[edit] Looks better - just a few more comments

  • Lead paragraph says he is currently a golf instructor. Last sentence says he is in prison. It is not clear what order these events are in. Needs clarifying.
  • There is still no reference to articles published in Australia.
  • Some copyediting is needed, but that is a lower priority than the other two comments.

If you then feel that the "clean-up" tag can be removed, I suggest you contact the person who put the tag on the page (you can find this out by looking in the page history). The person you want is User:Johntex. He may be able to say if he agrees that the tag can be removed. Hope that helps. Carcharoth 23:14, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Birthday

FYI: Birthday seems to differ in de:Dragan_Vasiljković... --katpatuka 08:22, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] B92

Really unclear what this means:

Dragan also helped with securing the Radio station Studio B and B92 in Belgrade during popular uprising against Slobodan Milosevic and help Serbia achive freedom.

Does this mean Dragan helped shut down B92 and Studio B during the popular uprising? Helped defend it against the government's attempts to shut it down? Shermozle 05:16, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV

Well, I think this article is heading in the wrong, POV direction. On the other side he is considered hero by all the Serbs when he fought Croatian terrorists and liberated Serbian land inside NDH. Only After he left Knin did Krajina fall to Croatian and NATO forces. and Dragan also helped with securing the Radio station Studio B and B92 in Belgrade during popular uprising against Slobodan Milosevic and help Serbia achieve freedom. should be fixed, if no one does it, I will when I have the time.--Captain ginyu 18:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bias

Seems like a bit of a puff piece on a member of a highly discredited organisation. It seems biased to me and references seem weak. I understand there was an article in the UK's Observer nrewspaper in 1991 which portrays a more factual light but I am unable to source it yet

[edit] Request for comment

This article expresses personal sympathies for a man against whom very serious charges of war crimes have been alleged. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Snaark (talk • contribs) 14:11, 7 August 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Proposal for Deletion AGAIN

My proposal that this article be deleted was removed without any significant changes being made. The article strongly reflects one person’s POV. I have again proposed that it be deleted. If my notice is removed again without satisfactory changes being made, I will report the author.

Below, I have explained clearly my reasons for proposing that the article be deleted. In the first paragraph, almost every sentence is written in a biased tone, or contains information that is not verifiable.

I have removed a paragraph here as per policy because this page was used to express defamatory and libelious claims.

I understand that Dragan is revered by SOME Serbs. However, he is considered a war criminal by many (Serbs and Croats). This article should not convey a POV for OR against him – it should be neutral and factual! Otherwise it should not exist!

Wikipedia is not a forum for you to express your own point of view, especially to lobby support for someone who is charged with a crime! That’s what Myspace is for. It is an encyclopedia – i.e. it is supposed to be objective!

Read the rules for Wikipedia if you want to write here! If you can’t do that, write nothing!


… been held in an Australian prison for over one and a half years with convicted prisoners, yet he himself has not been charged.

Your tone implies that he is the victim of an injustice. This is your POV!

What makes Dragans case interesting…

Interesting to who? You? You are expressing your POV.

is that even though he has been an Australian citizen for over 30 years, no evidence of the allegations against him was required by the Australian government.

Again, use a neutral tone!

If it was the USA, Canada, NZ or the UK requesting his extradition, an evidence case is mandatory (House of commons 2003).

Not verifiable!

Dragan is revered by the Serbian people because after his role in the war

Not verifiable!

The Serbian people believe…

You do not speak for all Serbs!

They are petitioning for him to face the War Crimes Tribunal in the Hague if he must face trial.

Are all Serbs in the world are signing this petition?

However, they also claim that he has already faced 18 hours of questioning at the War Crimes Tribunal and even rejected an offer of immunity for anything that he might have done. He was released and not one of his men were indicted.

Again, you are conveying YOUR point of view that he is innocent of any wrongdoing.

Therefore, the Serbian community believe that the accusations against Dragan are unfounded and are just a means to get him into Croatia. They are also surprised that Dragan (AKA Daniel Snedden) has not received the public support that David Hicks has.

This comparison is stupid - Hicks and Dragan have nothing in common.

In July 2007 Dragan was able to commence the defamation proceedings against Nationwide news. The court found that six out of ten of the statements against Dragan were libellous and defamatory.The proceedings are stood over in the Supreme Court of New South Wales until 27th July 2007.

You are only selecting the results of the trial that support your POV!.

[edit] Moving on

Could we keep all future talk below here, to make discussion easier to read please.

I have printed out 10 or so newspaper articles on this individual, and his various court appearances. Once I've read them all carefully I intend to rewrite this from scratch. I'll put a proposed outline here as soon as I am able. Kevin 04:44, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please delete

I strongly agree with the contributor two places up. This is a propaganda piece for someone accused of very serious warcrimes. It is not balanced or fair. It contains very doubtful information about a living person which seems to be an effort in P.R. for his ongoing court cases. Please delete. If someone wishes to write a balanced article try sourcing an Observer (UK) article from approx 1992 and a subsequent interview on BBC's Newsnight with Jeremy Paxman. The article as it stands is damaging to Wikipedia Rpersse 21:06, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm working on a complete rewrite, probably as little more than a stub. There are plenty of sources in Australian newspapers as well to give a balanced coverage. Hopefully I'll be done this week. Kevin 21:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
See User:Kevin/Dragan Vasiljkovic for progress, and feel free to contribute. I think a properly sourced lead paragraph is the first priority. Kevin 23:08, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reverted to earlier version

I have reverted the article to an earlier version, before additional changes were made by Karnov73. The changes by this user reflects his own point of view. Considering that the subject of the article is accused of heinous war crimes, this is unnacceptable. I suspect that Karnov73 is, in fact, Dragan Vasiljković or someone very close to him, as some of the changes made reflect a very intimate knowledge of the subjects life. The article still needs a complete re-write, but I do not have time for this.

[[Warning to Karnov73 - If you continue to use this page as your personal soap-box, I will recommend that you be banned from wikipedia for vandalism.]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.205.4 (talk) 10:57, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

You can relax, I am not Dragan or affiliated in anyway with him. I apoligise if I came across biased and will do my best to ensure that I do not do so again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karnov73 (talk • contribs) 11:23, 13 October 2007 (UTC)