Talk:Dražen Petrović
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[edit] about the Panathinaikos offer
"lack of recognition in the league had him also considering leaving the NBA completely and playing club basketball in Greece: it was later indicated that Dražen had agreed on terms with Panathinaikos BC, its owner Pavlos Giannakopoulos having allegedly offered a signed contract with blank honorarium terms."
Is there any source for that? I seriously doubt that Petrovic thought about leaving the NBA. --Bender235 14:53, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
- I remember that back then these news had circulated everywhere. So I did a Goodle search and here's what I've found (it's a cached version and it is in Italian, not in Greek, hence it is an objective report):
- "Aveva lasciato i Nets, sbattendo la porta, al termine di questo campionato. "Free agent", il presidente gli fece troppo tardi un offerta di 15 milioni di dollari per cinque anni. Era pronto per una nuova scommessa: avrebbe firmato per il Panathinaikos (nove miliardi in tre anni) che voleva portare sul trono d'Europa. Ma non ha potuto suonare l'ultima sinfonia. Il destino l'ha fatto morire a due passi da Monaco dove tra due settimane sarebbe tornato a dirigere, con la stessa maestria di Seul, Buenos Aires, Barcellona, l'orchestra croata."
- Translation (sorry if my Italian is not that good):
- Having left Nets, he shut the door and he was finished with this championship. As a "free agent" the president made him too late an offer of $15M for five years. He was ready for a new challenge: he would have signed for Panathinaikos ($9M for three years), who wanted to have the throne of Europe. But he was not able to play his ultimate symphony. The destiny made him die two steps from Monaco, where in two weeks he would return to direct with his mastery of Seoul, Buenos Aires and Barcelona, the Croatian orchestra.--Avg 17:36, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
- And another thing, although this is not a proof but an indication: Drazen had a few days before his death said, when he was asked about his potential move to Panathinaikos: "I’d love to play with Galis in the same team, I would assist him the ball and he would put it in the basket." Source http://www.fibaeurope.com/, article "Nikos Galis – Europe’s Greatest-ever Scorer". Galis was playing for Panathinaikos back then.--Avg 18:17, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
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- Okay, so it's actually more rumors than facts. PAO offered him a contract, as did the Nets, and Petrovic was "rumored" to favor PAO. If it's that way, the article section needs to be rewritten.
- BTW: The "I’d love to play with Galis in the same team [...]"-quote is way older. I think Petrovic said that after the 1988 European championship. --Bender235 22:16, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
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- Well I haven't see the signed contract myself :) But I do know that Drazen rejected the Nets offer because he felt that he didn't get the recognition he deserved in the NBA. He wanted titles and fame (rightly so). About the quote, European Championships are organised every 2 odd years so it must have been either '87 or '89:-) But the article I refer to insists it's '93 (I copy/paste) “I’d love to play with Galis in the same team,” said the legendary Drazen Petrovic before his death in 1993. “I would assist him the ball and he would put it in the basket.” "--Avg 22:51, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
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- The third external link on the article page references a tribute story on the official site of the New Jersey Nets, which mentions how in the summer of 1993 Drazen told the US reporters he will "probably accept a two-year offer to play pro ball in Greece". Whether the contract was signed and the check blank can only be "alleged", as the article states. Damir 08:47, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
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- Yeah, like Kobe Bryant said "I could see myself playing for the Clippers", before signing with the Lakers, I guess. *lol*
- Don't get me wrong, but I honestly don't believe anything of this. Petrovic had just made a name in the NBA. He wasn't far away from being an All-Star. Why should he leave?
- Matter of fact, these all are rumors. Petrovic had an offer by the Nets, and an offer by PAO. He turned down the Nets offer, but was it because he wanted to leave the NBA, or was it because he wanted to have more money offered (remember how many NBA players turn down contract offers first, but then sign a higher offer)?
- This article has to put it like "Petrovic was rumored to leave the NBA and play in Greece", but it says it like Petrovic definitely wanted to and seamingly already signed a contract (what he hasn't). That's all. --Bender235 18:50, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
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JEBO VAS DRAZENDzoni 12:03, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ethnicity issue
There seem to be repeated inverventions by, on one hand, users who claim Drazen's father is of Serbian descent, and, on the other hand, those who claim he is Montenegrin. It's reasonable to assume that these claims are in conflict (i.e., either one or the other is true and not both). Thus, following the Wiki guideline about verifiability of content, it's the burden of the editor making a particular ethnicity claim to cite a respectable source. It's inappropriate for this particular detail in the article to just periodically change from one claim to another and back, based merely on a specific author's opinion or preference. Damir 09:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Hes father is a Serb and his brother Aca is always sayig :"Im a Serb".hes brother is a serbian nationalist...Dzoni
- Erm...his brother never said that he is a Serb, in fact his brother is a Croatian patriot just like his brother was. --89.172.238.119 19:03, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
This is not correct. Drazen Petrovic is ethnic Montenegrian by father and Croat by mother. I´m from his home city so I can verify that with 100% certainty. ...by Sibenik
No, No, No. Drazen Petrovic was Serb, just look at his name and his brothers (Aleksandar), Purely serb names, not only that - born in Sibenik not so far away from KNIN (Heavily Serb populated), He looks like a Serb to me.
In more than a few occasions I spoke to mr. Jole Petrović and he confirmed me that his family roots are from Montenegro. Dražen's mother Biserka is a pure Croat. Petrovićs have no connections with Knin and Šibenik was always been 100% Croatian. In fact, it was first ever Croatian city on the coast founded by Croats, not Illyrians, Greeks or Romans.
End of discussion...
[edit] Serb
Born in Šibenik, Dražen was the second child of Serbian Jovan "Jole" Sports Illustrated on the Yugoslavs Divac and one of the Croats on that team, another budding NBA star named Drazen Petrovic, used to speak on the phone almost every day after they joined the NBA. In '92, after the war started, Petrovic suddenly stopped returning Divac's calls, and to others he cited the incident in Argentina as the reason. Divac believes that Petrovic, whose father is a Serb, froze him out because Petrovic felt pressure to prove his pro-Croat bona fides. "At first I told myself, When this is all over, he and I will talk about it." But Petrovic was killed in a car accident in Germany in 1993 before the two could work out their differences. "That was the most difficult thing for me, not having had a chance to talk about it," says Divac.
- That was what Divac claimed (that his father "is a Serb") and obviously something that should be taken with a grain of salt. --89.172.238.119 19:03, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Croat, my foot....
If Dražen (and Aleksandar) Petrović's parents (Jovan and Biserka Petrović) are not Serbs, an elephant must be typing this message as well...
- Yes i agree, Drazen,Aleksandar,Jovan Petrovic are all pure serb names...
- Aleksandar and Drazen Serbian names only? LOL....thats funny. Tell me does this means Alexandar the Great was also a Serb? Only Jovan can be taken as a Serbian name however it doesn't have to mean one is a Serb if he has a Serbian name. During Yugoslavia many people (Croats and Serbs) gave their children all sorts of names so even today you can find Serbs with typical Croatian names (Tomislav, Zvonimir, Ivan, etc.) and Croats with typical Serbian names (Jovan, Miladin....). Names like Aleksandar, Drazen, Jelena and so on are neither Serbian nor Croatian. --89.172.238.119 19:03, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
- --- Absolutely right! One might be named 'Elvis' oder 'Johnny' or 'Fernando' or whatever and still be a Croat or Serb. Your name doesn't reveal your ethnicity. You could be a Chinese or a Bolivian with a slavic name, but you will still be a Chinese or Bolivian. Remember the name 'Tito'? In Mexico and other american countries it was popular to give your child the name 'Tito' in honor of the yugoslav marshall. But 'Petrovic' is definitely Serbian or if you like Montegrin.--80.133.224.102 14:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
In the rest of the normal world, you choose what you want to be. He chose Croatia, he played for Croatia and he stated clear that he was Croatian. If his father was Serb, Montenegrenian, Croatian or Jew is absolutely UNRELEVANT outside the Balcans. So, save your point for the articles in Serbian, Croatian and Serbo-Croat Wiki.--195.252.86.156 21:57, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
- Can you guys PLEASE stop being idiots and fighting over idiotic things. The difference between a serb and croat is probably not even there, what else gets me is that you people can't settle for "Yugoslavian" as he was born in Yugoslavia and to parents who obviously believed in it since they married outside their religious box. So stop fighting and get over it.
[edit] Others about Dražen
Aleksandar Petrovic's quote did not feel exactly relevant in the context (i.e. it felt misplaced). My solution for leaving the quote in the article was to create a sub-heading in the "Death" section with notable persons' words about Dražen Petrović's life and death. Suggestions on improving (or removing) the section welcome.
[edit] Petrović vs. Divac
The main reason why Petrović has stopped answering calls from Vlado Divac was the fact that Vlado Divac has been insulting flag of Croatia.
--Anto 16:47, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Royal Spanish Club
The Real Madrid is not owned by the Spanish Royal Family, so the term "royal" is inadecuated. I plea for correction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.33.1.243 (talk) 17:00, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
