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[edit] Featured

I wonder if the portal could be a Featured portal Llull 20:34, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

It could be, but not anytime near. First, most Dragonlance articles are stubs or very bad written. There are no free images at all in the category, there are too many red links (and turning the red links into stubs won't help at all). There is no Wikiproject that actively supports the topic, nor many active users working on Dragonlance topics. Keep the portal in good shape (I hope you are following the guidelines correctly, I have no experience with portals). Keep working on it, so that people will know that it has been long since the portal was created, and someday it will become one. -- ReyBrujo 21:07, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Keep the portal in good shape -> this portal has a unique code (well, used too in Portal:Biotechnology that I did too) that let keep the different sections without effort. They are made months before and are changed automatically. You'll see the results on Thursday. Go to the "archive" links and you'll see. ;) Llull 21:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
My only real complain is that fair use images can't be used in templates. Whoever comes here to fix that will let the monthly article without image, which isn't that bad, but may break it. As for the other portal, I notice you revert changes that, seemly, are standard between all portals. -- ReyBrujo 21:33, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Realy? The templates can be easly substituted by subpages, but in the main page there are often fair use images. A portal can be considered a type of main page. I didn't know this rule. And in the other portal, changes were included in the portal without discussion in the discussion page. There was no rule about a determinated design of a portal. Llull 21:45, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Per the 9th Fair use policy:
Fair use images should only be used in the article namespace. Used outside article space, they are often enough not covered under the fair use doctrine. They should never be used on templates (including stub templates and navigation boxes) or on user pages. They should be linked, not inlined, from talk pages when they are the topic of discussion. This is because it is the policy of the Wikimedia Foundation to allow an unfree image only if no free alternative exists and only if it significantly improves the article it is included on. All other uses, even if legal under the fair use clauses of copyright law, should be avoided to keep the use of unfree images to a minimum. Exceptions can be made on a case-by-case basis if there is a broad consensus that doing so is necessary to the goal of creating a free encyclopedia (like the templates used as part of the Main Page).
In other words, it seems you need to request to the community permission to use Fair use images in templates, most likely in the Talk page of the Fair use page. -- ReyBrujo 21:53, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Ffff... I think I haven't enough English level for doing clearly and defend petitions. Ya me entiendes. Llull 21:58, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Por supuesto. If you decide to keep this format, I suggest to create a Category:Dragonlance Portal category, which would be a subcategory of Category:Dragonlance, then don't use templates, but instead subpages inside Portal:Dragonlance (you know, Portal:Dragonlance/June 2006, Portal:Dragonlance/July 2006, etc). And classify every of those sub pages with the Dragonlance Portal category. Finally, I would not use images for now, or check other portals for ideas about how and when to use them. -- ReyBrujo 22:06, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I began to move Portal:Dragonlance/Title from templates to subpages. How can be deleted now the created templates. Llull 07:31, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

See Templates for deletion guidelines. -- ReyBrujo 07:37, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

OK. I finnished the moving of information. Llull 08:49, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

The picture of Takhisis is really a picture of Tiamat. Though Takhisis was based on Tiamat, they are not one and the same. Dragonhelm 21:42, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Selected Article

What is the process for selecting a dragonlance article, and also, how long has Takhisis been selected? DoomsDay349 20:13, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I created all the portal. All the selections are made by me. I put all the articles that in that moment were large and had images. See the "How you can collaborate" section of the portal. Everybody is wellcome to collaborate and add more articles, anecdotes, questions and images. The new seleccions don't have to replace the old. The code can be changed easly and force one change per month's day (31 needed) week (53 needed) or minute (60 needed) (now the changes are each month). Llull 21:20, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

How are the question decided? And who puts them there? DoomsDay349 20:21, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lexicon

I have noticed that many of the articles that are being written are rewrites of the Nexus' Lexicon articles. I would appricate if you guys would start putting the Lexicon articles down as references. The Speaker of the Sun is a prime example of this. I am finishing writing up Solostaran today, and noticed that he hasn't been written up in your article either. I do not have a problem what-so-ever of rewriting of any of the Lexicon articles for the Wiki, just make sure you reference down the page. Some of the pages have been done this way, and I thank you for that, but just make sure the others follow suit also. Thanks for your time, and keep up the good work. Kranar drogin 16:12, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I have noticed that some editors just copy information from the Lexicon, rewriting the information just slightly. That is not how it is supposed to work. Also, Lexicon articles are written from an "in-universe" perspective, while Wikipedia articles should be written in an "out-universe" perspective (that is, treating them as characters and not as living persons). I agree, however, that if the article has been written in a "copy/change/paste" way in Wikipedia, Lexicon articles should appear as references. However, once the article has been completely rewritten, the Lexicon link should appear in the External links section. Note that, when the copy is a blatant copy, it is warned in the talk page (as here). Feel free to tag any page with the {{copyvio}} tag when you feel it is a complete copy, I have done that myself in the past (like here, here and here). I am trying to rewrite as many articles as possible to prevent this kind of copyright violation, but currently I helping the WikiProject Albums to create a new standard for albums in Wikipedia. -- ReyBrujo 16:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I have noticed you have been right on top of these articles and I thank you for it. I just do not spend enough time on here to police it. And I agree with you on the links, it should be an External Links not the reference areas. -- Kranar drogin 16:52, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
When an external article has been used to build the article, it should be put in the references section. So, in all the articles where Lexicon has been used to either build or refill an article, it should appear in the References section. However, once the article has been rewritten, it is usually moved to the External links. See Goldmoon, Riverwind and Sturm Brightblade for rewritten articles that do not use Lexicon as source. Feel free to move Lexicon links to References whenever the page content is just too similar to the contents of Nexus. Adding a note in the Talk page stating that the contents of the article is too similar to the Lexicon will make editors aware that copying information that hasn't been released under GFDL should not be done lightly. -- ReyBrujo 17:00, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I just want to say, in all fairness, that the I have attempted to fix the Kith-Kanan article, and yes, I did use the Nexus to help write it, but it is no longer a "blatant copy". DoomsDay349 22:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Feel free to tag articles as copyvio, although I didn't really want to do that with the Kith Kanan article because it seems a bit extreme, and I wasn't sure how long it would take before it got changed. However, if it wasn't changed quickly enough, ReyBrujo suggested that I could just blank and page and stub it.ddcc 04:23, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portal:Dragonlance visibility?

  • I actually stumbled across the portal by accident. As I thumbed thru various DL articles, I noticed that there were no links to the portal page. Should there be? I am thinking it could help be a gathering point for DL editors, but was not sure if there was a standard/guidline/etc. -- MrDolomite | Talk 13:47, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, that would be useful. The portal should be at the External links or the See also section. Thanks for your wikignomering! I am one too :) -- ReyBrujo 15:30, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
As a sample, I added it to Paladine (Dragonlance)#See_also. I didn't want to edit all those articles in case someone has a better way/idea/objection/comment :) -- MrDolomite | Talk 16:03, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Why not just use the {{portal}} template? -- ReyBrujo 16:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Sure, ReyBrujo, we could do that.  :) I was poking around for templates, but somehow missed that one. -- MrDolomite | Talk 23:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I wonder if you prefer something similar to Takhisis. Llull 19:11, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Llull, I like that idea, grabs the eye more than the {{portal}} one. Three comments back...
  1. still should go into its own section, if for no reason than it makes editing the bottom section of the page with templates/categories much easier to edit -- MrDolomite | Talk 23:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
  2. undecided about the color. Were you thinking different colors for various groups of people/locations/etc? -- MrDolomite | Talk 23:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
  3. full width might be too large. Maybe something bigger than an infobox but smaller than full? -- MrDolomite | Talk 23:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
That'll work, and leave it on the top of the page so that it's visible. ddcc 04:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

If you think you can improve the template, do it. I took the idea from ca:Polinèsia. Llull 10:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portal expansion

Perhaps it ought to include a reference to DL media, namely the RPG, the books, the young-author books, the movie.. --Oscarthecat 06:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use image

Please note that in order for images to fall under fair use, the content of the article must directly be about the content of the image. For example, the Image:Tiamat p93.jpg which is currently gracing this portal can only be used in an article about Tiamat, and then only if a free version of the image is not available. Fair use images may not be used in portals (though there are some allowances and gray areas for featured or selected articles in the portal). Please remove all fair use images from this portal in order to bring the portal in line with the fair use policy for images. Thanks! ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:21, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Please note the comments abiout the images over here as well. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:49, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Qoute Section

I was thinking that we could have a qoute section on this portal, we could pull a couple from Wikiqoute but there aren't many (although I add some off and on). Tell me what you think. DoomsDay349 23:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lexicon Copies

I want to ask which of the articles you guys think are most copied from the DLNexus Lexicon so I can rewrite them. Before you have the chance to point it out, I realize that I have contributed in part to these copies, such as in Tanis Half-Elven, and I would like to fix this problem by rewriting them to the best of my ability. Thanks. DoomsDay349 01:59, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I would also like to know if any are copyvios that demand immediate attention. Thanks. DoomsDay349 02:07, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I think you guys have done a good job of fixing what were exact copies and should be proud of the work you are doing. Keep it going!--Kranar drogin 02:44, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Kranar, that means a lot coming from a lexicon editor. DoomsDay349 20:05, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dragons of Autumn Twilight as Selected Article

I'd like to propose Dragons of Autumn Twilight as a selected article for the portal. DoomsDay349 21:27, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DragonLance Wiki

The good folks over at Wikia have granted me a new wiki based just on DragonLance. Currently, content is very low since I just got the thing online about an hour ago. If any of you guys want to come over and work on the wiki that'll be devoted just to DragonLance feel free to stop by dragonlance.wiki.com.

I'm also looking for some staff members, so if you're knowledgeable in DragonLance or general wiki things like how to create templates, patrol edits, etc feel free to apply for a position. I don't have any page set up yet for applications, just leave a message on my user talk page, same name I use here Retoru 15:08, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

BTW, you have copyright problems on that wiki that you need to deal with, including referencing wikipedia, fair use images, etc. ddcc 00:15, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I assume this wiki is to be written in an in-universe perspective? I suppose I'd be willing to help out. DoomsDay349 00:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use images

I've recently removed all the fair use images. Though it's true that there's been a recently proposed amendment on fair use images on portals, the proposal has not finalized yet so the previous fair use policy prohibiting fair use images on non-mainspace pages still applies.--TBCΦtalk? 00:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

That's cool. We'll wait for the amendment result. (Hey TBC, ten points if you recognize me) DoomsDay349 00:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Next time, if you have to do so, commenting them out with <!-- stuff -->, would be easier to change later. :) ddcc 02:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Total Portal Revamp

This portal isn't so great. I'm going to design a new one using some likened portals as models. Just so you know. DoomsDay349 04:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Done. The old portal didn't comply with any portal guidelines, now it is totally within the scope of the portals. DoomsDay349 05:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
The old one looked better though. Blue and green doesn't really fit Dragonlance, and what are we do with all those other templates? Ddcc 00:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I've been debating the color scheme, yah. The problem with the old one, however, was that it blatantly ignored WP:PORTAL. For the other templates, how many are there? If there's not many, then we can just ignore them, if there's a lot, there must be some speedy deletion criteria. Aside from color, do you have issues with it? DoomsDay349 00:57, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I've gone back to the old color scheme, looks better. You see, we can't do red and yellow, it isn't aesthetically pleasing. Too "in your face". I think mellow colors work best. Our current scheme is cool by me, unless we want to go for a black and red style...that I can do. DoomsDay349 01:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I find black text on an dark army green background difficult to read. Perhaps changing it to something around FAFAC8 (cream color) or just something paler would help. Raven's Crux 20:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

And what about all those templates that changed automatically? I don't see a good idea to lose them. 158.109.204.92 10:02, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's a problem; we'd need to adapt it to this format. I don't know how to do it really, but I plan on manually updating this portal myself. DoomsDay349 21:19, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, I changed the color scheme. It does look better. Thanks for the suggestion. DoomsDay349 20:07, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Any way we can get the portal more dragonlance-themed? It seems sort of dark and dreary with the red/black/green, and no real dragonlance content anywhere except for text. Ddcc 21:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
What do you suggest? We can't add any fair use images, and I've got the dragons there. If you can come up with some more free dragon artwork, then we can add it in. DoomsDay349 21:43, 14 February 2007 (UTC)