Talk:Dr. Jose Celso Barbosa Post Office Building Designation Act

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 12/8/2006. The result of the discussion was keep.


Did You Know An entry from Dr. Jose Celso Barbosa Post Office Building Designation Act appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 12 August 2006.
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Is the fact that the bill contains text sourced from Wikipedia actually notable?

I doubt that Wikipedia mentions the specific sources of background information for most other bills, and I doubt that any other encyclopedia would include the fact that text for this bill was sourced from Wikipedia.

This seems to me to be unnecessary self-promotion of Wikipedia. Jibjibjib 12:16, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

  • The fact that a bill, which is now law, contains an artcle from Wikipedia is notable because it is a "first" for our pedia. The article is based on verifiable sources as is required by our policies. Wikipedia does not promote itself however, to exclude a proven "fact" from an article is unexcusable. The simple fact that the article was included in the bill gives the pedia some degree of credibility, an aspect which has always been lamblasted by those who are anti-wikipedia. Let us rejoice this accomplishment. Tony the Marine 18:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I believe the article is significant, and the mention of Wikipedia should be left in. Lots of people are discussing the validity of Wikipedia, and whether or not it should be referenced for papers/articles, etc.; if this is indeed the first bill to reference Wikipedia, that's notable. By the way, I find this reference disturbing; Wikipedia is a great place to learn, but a terrible place to cite. CalebNoble 03:06, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

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Was this article created specifically to incorporate the self reference to WP in the Congressional Record? The whole premise seems rather contrived. I think this article could be improved by refocusing it on the building itself, i.e. renaming it "Dr. Jose Celso Barbosa Post Office Building" or even "Barbosa Post Office" and including info on the building itself (picture, history, architect, etc.). Then the act can be a subhead, and the self-ref a sub-sub-head. This would put things in better context, I think. The complete text of the act should be transwikied to Wikisource, and only the relevant portions paraphrased. I'm going to add the clean-up tag to the article. Dhaluza 18:06, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Good call, will add addition info. in the near future. Tony the Marine 18:30, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


The concept was a good idea and I went to work on it, but here is the situation.

1. The Jose Celso Barbosa Post Office Building is not a significant building in itself and there are absolutely no references or sources as to its history or importance. 2. There no images of the building. 3. An Act designating a Postal office building with the name of a historical figure in itself is not considered a significant event since there are thousands of those. 4. However, the Jose Celso Barbosa Post Office Building Designation Act is deemed significant since it maybe the first time that material from Wikipedia has been deemed important enough to have been included in a U.S. bill signed by the President of the United States. (there is no evidence that any other Wikipedia article has had this distinction.) 5. The article is about the Bill and about the fact mentioned in #4 and not about the building. All available information has been placed and sourced as required by required by Wikipedia policy. Tony the Marine 22:12, 9 September 2007 (UTC)