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[edit] Welcome

Welcome!

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia, Dpr! I hope you like the place and decide to keep contributing. Since I see you've already been active here, let me just give you a few links that are always useful as a handy reference guide:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question at the village pump or feel free to ask me on my Talk page.
Oh, and just in case you don't already know: to sign your name on a Talk page like I did below, the easiest way is just to type four tildes (~~~~). To customize your signature, look here.
And remember:Be Bold!

— Asbestos | Talk 19:41, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Red links

Welcome from me too. I hope you like it here.

On the Statistics page, I put back modern latin into "modern latin". I think having an actual link is more helpful than a red link.

And one more note. A good habit to get is providing an edit summary. That helps people having a certain article on the watchlist keep track of what you change. Cheers, Oleg Alexandrov 02:56, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for welcoming me and thanks for the (deserved) re-directing, shall we say (no pun intended). I guess I'm still a novice WP-ian, so I often forget to add the edit descriptor. As for the modern Latin, I guess some day I'll start the article and when that day comes we can change the link back to "modern latin" instead of just "Latin." So you work with mostly mathematics articles? Pretty cool. Good luck in the future. What are you doing in the real world now?
Good luck with modern latin. Talking to the folks at latin before starting this new project might be helpful. Yes, my primary interest on Wikipedia is math. In the real world I am a math postdoc.
By the way, it is good if you sign your comments, with four tildas (see something about this above). Good luck to you too, Wikipedia is a small place, we might intersect again. Oleg Alexandrov 20:53, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I am from Moldova, am ethnically Romanian, and speak quite poor Russian. One more hint. If you write at least something on your user page, your signature will appear blue instead of red, which probably is nicer. Oleg Alexandrov 04:09, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

THanks Oleg, My English is not good, and you have helped in enhancing the Ang Mo Kio page! Appreciate your kind efforts! And also thanks for tips Norman Oh 21:50, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think Norman Oh meant to say thanks to Dpr. But, I don't mind being thanked for something I did not do. :) Oleg Alexandrov 23:13, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Protestantism in China

Thanks for the POV edit! That was a serious drawback of the article. DDerby 04:38, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] ethnonyms for Kaifeng Jewish community

My understanding, which is far from perfect, is that the Kaifeng community always referred to themselves as Youtai, an almost obvious corruption of Yehudi, and that they were referred to, by outsiders, as Diao jin Jiao, (which as I understand it means "practitioners without sinew") because of their "bizarre" (especially by Chinese standards) practice of removing the sciatic nerve from slaughtered mammals prior to their consumption. (The concept of ritual slaughter was not "new" or "noteworthy", apparently, but the insistence upon the removal of the sciatic nerve was. This "familiarity" is variously attributed to prior contact with Muslims, and according to some authors, is possibly even the result of a much earlier contact with Jewish communities, such as those that such authors credit with having greatly influenced early Japanese religion [1]...) That said, I have reviewed your rewording of what I wrote, and think it does a much better job of conveying what I was trying to say in my rewording of the opening paragraph. Also, thanks for taking the ball with that completely nonsensical-sounding "An american encyclopedia from 19blahblahblah" thing and making it sound less authoritative...unfortunately, the rewording does nothing to improve the reliability of the putative source, something about which I've already registered a complaint on the Talk page for the article... :-p -t

All of that drivel aside, the current name for "Jew" in Mandarin is "Youtai", not because of any great awakening in Chinese conscience about the Jews in their midst, but because the Communists used the Kaifeng community's own ethnonym as an identifier, eventhough, because of their failure to have kept a consistent record of their tradition, and therefore lacked an independent linguistic identity in addition to their "claimed" ethnic identity, they were not eligible for "protection" as a "minority people". They were, apparently, however, still permitted to continue to identify as a cultural group, despite their inability to officially educate themselves in their "own" language, and were at that time, identified using their own ethnonym, "Youtai", which has since been expanded to include not only the Kaifeng community, but other communities of Chinese Jews as well, the overwhelming majority of which are comprised of european, middle-eastern and american immigrants over the course of the past 2 centuries. Tomer TALK 06:36, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)
As for whether or not the Jewish community referred to themselves as Diao jin Jiao, I'm not certain, but my understanding is that they would have used this term only as a means of identifying themselves to outsiders, not amongst themselves. I'll see what I can dig up in the next few weeks... Tomer TALK 06:40, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

As I said, I'm not sure. That was my understanding (i.e., the Jews referred to themselves as Youtai, but were known by outsiders as "(that weird [without disrespect]) religious group (that) removes the sinew". My further understanding is that the community's ethnonym was taken by the Maoists as an ethnonym for not only the Kaifeng Jews, but as a term for Jews as a whole, and was later applied to the communities in Harbin and Shanghai as well (most of whom were Ashkenazi, but including a number of important Sefardi and Mizraçi families in Shanghai as well...especially the Sassoons and Kadooris). In other words, my understanding is that the ancient ethnonym for the waning Kaifeng community was later applied indiscriminately (in a lesson perhaps we Jews would do well to consider) to all Jews. As I said, tho, I'll endeavor to study this usage in the near future to try to ascertain something more reliable than "my impression". Tomer TALK 06:47, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2005/08/23/2003268821

http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?intarticleid=15769&intcategoryid=2

[edit] Riddles

I'm not sure how that works. I haven't looked at my page quiite a while and I didn't know that riddle was there. I'm not the one who added it. I'm going to try and find out from the person who did. Remuel 14:30, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Just some more on the riddle, the user who added this riddle indicated that, in Ancient Egypt, the placenta of the current Pharaoh was preserved and used as a battle standard during his life. I'm not sure where to go to verify this as I can't find any mention of this elsewhere on Wikipedia, but I decided to leave it with a short explaination in the answer.Remuel 17:13, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)


http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2005/08/23/2003268821

http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?intarticleid=15769&intcategoryid=2

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2005/08/23/2003268821

http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?intarticleid=15769&intcategoryid=2

[edit] New Mexico or Nevada

Nevada. If you came to my nick from Clovis, I was just cleaning up the HS stub. I'm working my way through looking at all of the school stubs. Vegaswikian 07:32, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Judaism in China

Your assertion that Judaism is functionally extinct in China is incorrect. There are 2 functioning synagogues in Beijing, 2 in Shanghai, and 5 in Hong Kong, see [2]. For more discussion on the history up to modern times, some of which duplicate the information in the article, but others of which may be helpful for future edits, see

  • [link removed see edit summary] brief, but up to date (albeit sparsely so)
  • [3] may have some useful information especially by pursuing some of the links there.
  • [4] some info on the background of the guy in the above link, written by a published author who specializes in crypto-Jewish studies.
  • [5] thorough discussion of the Kaifeng community's history.
  • [6] reprint of 2003 Jlem. Post Mag. article.
  • [7] an exploration of what's become of the Kaifeng community's sifre tora.
  • [8] nifty. Kulanu's China page. More about Kulanu at: [9]

I'm writing this list at least as much for my own benefit as for yours, since I'll be taking the time to look into this stuff in more depth when I have time...but since you're working on the articles right now, I thought you might be interested in seeing this stuff now, if you haven't already. Tomer TALK 06:05, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vote for deletion

Hi Dpr: Your newly-created Category:Jewish literature has been nominated for deletion see Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 June 22#Category:Jewish literature [10] Thank you. IZAK 11:36, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] You forgot to vote

Hi Dpr: Thanks for your comments on the above vote page, but you forgot to vote, perhaps because you are new. You need to place the comment Keep at the start of your response so that your vote can be registered. Thanks. IZAK 05:07, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2005/08/23/2003268821

http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?intarticleid=15769&intcategoryid=2

[edit] ELASTICOS SELECTOS

Hello Dpr. You (rightly) stuck a VfD template on ELASTICOS SELECTOS but then for one reason or another do not seem to have followed this through by creating a VfD page. I've done this; you may wish to vote or comment on VfD/Elasticos Selectos. -- Hoary July 3, 2005 08:01 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy delete

If a page has no more content than it's title (like Intelligent traffic signals) it's eligible for a speedy delete. Put a {{db|write your reason here}} and it'll be gone in no time. I've also deleted your vfd request. Hope you don't mind. - Mgm|(talk) July 6, 2005 11:01 (UTC)

  • WP:SD should have a link to the criteria under which you can have an article speedy deleted. - Mgm|(talk) July 6, 2005 11:13 (UTC)
Thanks! I'm reading it as we speak. I appreciate everything! ~ Dpr

[edit] Dr. Oweiss article

Thanks a lot for contributing to the article on Dr. Ibrahim Oweiss! I appreciate your help. ~ Dpr 00:43, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome. I put his article in the Egyptian Americans and American economists categories. Is he an American citizen or Egyptian citizen residing in the U.S.? --AI 23:12, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Ibrahim Oweiss, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently-created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

[edit] Whiteleys HQ

Hi. I saw your post on Hitler's plans to use Whiteleys as his HQ. Not something that I can confirm, unfortunately, but I have posted the question to the Adolf Hitler talk page. Hopefully somebody can confirm it there. Cheers TigerShark 11:35, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

I thought it was Blenheim he was intending to use. ~~~~ 19:39, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Ril, it's possible...but that is a separate fact (or "legend"); I was simply trying to enquire as to the accuracy of the Whiteleys rumor, but your suggestion may also be true. Thanks 19:44, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] inteligibility

This one's easy: see differences in official languages in Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia :) Passing knowledge of each will let you speak to the speakers of others, too. I'm told it's similar to how it's with Norwegian and Danish, or Czech and Slovak. --Joy [shallot] 09:07, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for all your help! So basically, if you are proficient in one, you will understand about 80-90% of the others? ~ Dpr 19:26, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

I wouldn't go so far to use percentages. In one context, you may understand absolutely everything; in another, you may have showstopper words that will disable communication. --Joy [shallot] 20:03, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the additional information. I understand. I suspect that's true of several clusters of partially-mutually intelligible languages/variants. Best! ~ Dpr 22:02, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Minority languages

No problem. But I'm wondering what you're envisioning belonging there. Should Category:Native American languages be a subcategory since virtually all of them are minority languages? --Angr/tɔk tə mi 23:07, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gestalt Psychology

Hi Dpr,

I saw your request for pictures on the Gestalt psychology page. I have modified the explanation of Gestalt psychology and inserted figures to demonstrate the concepts. Check it out!

 slehar

[edit] Thank you

Oh you are welcome! Je vous en prie. Well "thank you" in both Indonesian and Malaysian Malay = terima kasih and "thank you very much" is terima kasih banyak. In return one should say terima kasih kembali ("you're welcome") or sama-sama ("don't mention it"). Meursault2004 08:44, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Hey I also just noticed that you corrected my pesonal user page. Well I would also like to thank you for that ;-) Meursault2004 09:14, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Patua

I was just wondering why you put the Article Needing Attention tag on the Patua page. Is there anything specific that you feel needed rectifying? The article is not by any means badly written and has plenty of interesting information -- I've seen far worse.

Bathrobe 01:13, 8 September 2005 (UTC) |

[edit] to:dpr

Good comment in the Biblical scientific foreknowledge article. Someone is objecting to me mentioning the "sewer pharmocology"/dung/fly bits. However, they cannot do this in a minority view article as Wikipedia says minority views can go into great detail. If you want to agree with me in Talk:Biblical scientific foreknowledge I would appreciate it.

ken 01:51, 10 September 2005 (UTC)kdbuffalo

[edit] Merging articles

I'm writing to you directly because you and I may be the only ones with an interest in this at the moment. I just wanted to give you a heads-up on a couple of things. First, I'm ready to merge "Nhengatu language" with "Língua Geral", sending the former to the latter. I've done a little research and have a new combined version ready; I used my own sources and the NYT article you presented (thanks). A few days ago I wrote a note in the L.G. talk page; you might find it interesting.

Regarding the NYT article in that talk page, it was nice of you to post it there for other contributors, but I think it's technically a no-no as far as Wikipedia's copyright policy goes. So I guess it should be removed. S. Neuman 15:41, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ola!

Ola! Actually, I can't speak or write in Portuguese.....but I am interested in Portuguese. The status of Portuguese in Macau is a little bit better than Spanish in the Philippines.

However, most of the Chinese don't know Portuguese unless he/she is working in the goverment or some carrer that Portuguese is needed. Also, many "fala Yan"(people who speak Portuguese) move back to Portugal so that the Portuguese-speaking population is decreasing. Now, people in Macau whose mother toungue is Portuguese is little. But there are still people speak Portuguese as second or third language.--HeiChon~XiJun 12:36:52, 2005-09-11 (UTC)

[edit] to: dpr

I was very patient and the system failed me even though I asked for admin help. God is longsuffering. We should follow his example. On the other hand, the OT prophets and Jesus could be very pointed in their remarks at times. I realize in America and maybe throughout the rest of the Western world it is not currently culterally popular to use pointed remarks and satire. I also realize via Jerry Springer, etc etc etc that a sense of shame is less popular. However, I believe these things are a deficiency. With that being said, I appreciate your help in the Bible scientific foreknowledge category.

ken 16:22, 11 September 2005 (UTC)kdbuffalo

[edit] PS on L.G.

Thanks for your encouraging words. I should probably mention that I only put in one new reference to keep things simple, but the couple of others I had were all in agreement. As far as -ado goes, I think the pronunciation of this varies a lot by dialect, in either Spanish or Portuguese (but I don't want to commit myself on anything more specific than that). S. Neuman 22:01, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Romanian and Aromanian

No, they're not mutually intelligible, not reasonably anyway. I mean, just like Romanians can understand Italian to an extent, and Spanish and Portuguese are to an extent mutually intelligible, so is Romanian and Aromanian. But speakers of Romanian cannot understand an Aromanian speaker well enough to actually understand the meaning of what they're saying. Personally, I don't understand a lot of things that they say in the Aromanian Wikipedia, not more than I would in the Italian Wikipedia. 210.211.89.126 05:06, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Wrong. It is mutually intelligible. See this example:

Comparison with Daco-Romanian

The following text is given for comparison in Aromanian and in Romanian, with an English translation. The word choice in the Romanian version was such that it matches the Aromanian text, although in modern Romanian other words might have been more appropriate. The English translation is only provided as a guide to the meaning, with an attempt to keep the word order as close to the original as possible.

Aromanian Romanian English
Vocala easti un son dit zburărea-a omlui, faptu cu tritsearea sonoră, libiră sh-fără cheadică, a vimtului prit canalu sonor (adrat di coardili vocali shi ntreaga gură) ică un semnu grafic cari aspuni un ahtari son. Vocala este un sunet din vorbirea omului, făcut cu trecerea sonoră, liberă şi fără piedică, a vîntului prin canalul sonor (compus din coardele vocale şi întreaga gură) sau un semn grafic care reprezintă un atare sunet. The vowel is a sound in human speech, made by the sonorous, free and unhindered passing of the air through the sound channel (composed of the vocal chords and the whole mouth) or a graphic symbol corresponding to that sound.
Ashi bunăoară, avem shasili vocali tsi s-fac cu vimtul tsi treatsi prit gură, iu limba poati si s-află tu un loc ică altu shi budzăli pot si sta dishcljisi ună soe ică altă. Aşa bunăoară, avem şase vocale ce se fac cu vîntul ce trece prin gură, unde limba poate să se afle într-un loc sau altul şi buzele pot să stea deschise un soi sau altul. This way, we have six vowels that are produced by the air passing through the mouth, where the tongue can be in one place or another and the lips can be opened in one way or another.
Vocalili pot s-hibă pronuntsati singuri ică deadun cu semivocali i consoani. Vocalele pot să fie pronunţate singure sau împreună cu semivocale sau consoane. The vowels can be pronounced alone or together with semivowels or consonants.

[edit] Cleanup tag on Odyssey of the Mind

Why did you add a {{cleanup}} tag to Odyssey of the Mind? The page looks fine to me. --bdesham 22:39, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Hey, no problem! :-) I do tend to write more informally than the Wikipedia average, I guess. Cheers, bdesham 02:42, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Nightwork, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

[edit] Thanks for the kind words

Since you didn't sign your note to me at first, I mistakenly assumed it was from Journalist.

Thanks for your note. I will add something to my talk page - I like to lurk, so I was being possibly more of a ghost than appropriate

I don't live in Dayton now, although I was born and raised there. Anyone who was raised there pretty much receives the history of the great people and places pretty much by transfusion, I think. For instance, I have always felt guilty that I haven't applied for a patent, thereby being below average for the city!

David 02:44, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kdbuffalo

Can you take a look at Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Kdbuffalo please. Dunc|☺ 13:12, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Tak :)

No problem, trying to keep track of all the various categories can be quite daunting. And thanks for the "tak", the proper Swedish spelling is "tack så mycket", but you where quite close, so "takk" as we say in Norway :) --Sherool 16:50, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] to: dpr, from kdbuffalo

Duncharris has sent me more than one very insulting message to my userpage. He uses such words as "fundie", nonsense, etc. Duncharris also admits I have been polite to him. You can go to his userpage and see for yourself.

MickWest and duncharris want to play "Atheist bullyboys" by sending me repeated messages to my userpage designed to irritate me.

If you want to make a message to that kdbuffalo comment page saying I cite an abundance of medical historians, medical/science journals which is the truth it would be appreciated.

Also, I believe this policy is being ignored:

"None of this, however, is to say that minority views cannot receive as much attention as we can possibly give them on pages specifically devoted to those views. There is no size limit to Wikipedia. But even on such pages, though a view is spelled out possibly in great detail, we still make sure that the view is not represented as the truth." [11]

ken 21:31, 18 September 2005 (UTC)kdbuffalo

to: Dpr

I will take the time to post the duncharris insulting messages. However, if I do will you post to the kdbuffalo talk page that I cited a plentitude of reputable sources to support my view? Is it fair to say this? Will you say this?

ken 22:00, 18 September 2005 (UTC)kdbuffalo

[edit] re: admin duncharris's abusive messages

TO: Dpr

Here is an excerpt of one of Duncharris's abusive messages to my userpage. You can check my userpage log history or duncharris's userpage where I reiterated it back to him. It wasn't the first.

Here it is:

"Look mate, I can respect you for not losing your rag. Now, I'm fairly clueless about this whole matter, but having dealt with a lot of creationist nonsense, I think the nonsense threshold of fundies is low."

Are you willing to publically denounce this?

Are you willing to say I used a plentitude of responsible sources to support the BSF article?

ken 22:05, 18 September 2005 (UTC)kdbuffalo


TO: Dpr

I created a new article to stop the nonsense.

Here it is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admin_duncharris%27s_abusive_messages._Wiki%27s_atheist_bullyboy

ken 22:22, 18 September 2005 (UTC)kdbuffalo

[edit] thank you

呵呵，没有注意这些细节。有人能教我实在是感到荣幸。用and连接似乎比but转折在这里更合适一些啊。你最后用Ciao是指意大利语的“再见”么？Aurevoir!--玉米^ō^麦兜 02:41, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

the Chinese proverb about "teach[ing] a man to fish" - 授人以鱼，不如授人以渔。？

How would you say it in Zhongwen? - 我的英文算不上好，（于是）我想把它学得更好。这里的“于是”和“但是”就应该是“and”和“but”的区别。我想在英文里是否有中文这样的区别呢？？

ps：请问您是一位美籍（或者别的国家）华人还是一位学习或者教授中文的英语母语使用者？--玉米^ō^麦兜 04:28, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Farewell My Concubine

A website with some info on the Peking Opera article you wanted to work on. :) Btw "Farewell My Concubine" is a very "Hollywoodish" title given to the movie. i wonder if there were better translations... --Plastictv 03:16, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] maybe you have forgot to answer...

我前几天写在上面的message(red)。--玉米^ō^麦兜 18:03, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

Thanks for all your WikiContributions! FireFox 18:10, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for all your WikiContributions! FireFox 18:10, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] comfort zone?

I don't understand this term. A Vanessa Williams or Wishbone Ash's song? 呵呵--玉米^ō^麦兜 12:26, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

"I English is not what it could be, so I want to learn it well." - I English? or My? --玉米^ō^麦兜 19:05, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] RE:Thanks

No problem at all. ;) I am personally greatly interested in general architecture, but I am not a professional in it, hence I need to do lots of referencing before I could add anything. I wonder if you happen to posses this information, and can help us in other articles related to architecture and buildings in Singapore? Meanwhile, is this Lingnan architecture influential in that of Shophouses here, or more contemporary works?--Huaiwei 06:52, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Surnames

Actually, the Vietnamese surname Nguyen appears in Chinese as either Ruan or Yuen, as they are all expressed by the Chinese character 阮. The Windows Character Map identifies this Chinese character by the standard Ruan. Le Anh-Huy.

[edit] Analects

Hi, could you explain why you consider the Analects of Confucius to be an "ostensible record"? Because as far as i know, the status of the work as the bona fide record of the words of Confucius and his disciples is not disputed. (Btw how's the work on the Peking Opera coming along?) Cheers! :) --Plastictv 08:46, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Replied on Talk:Analects of Confucius --Dpr 01:21, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your advice on maniac

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[edit] Lingvoj/idiomas

Kiel mi lernis multajn (ne mutajn!) lingvojn? Strebante, studante, kiel lernas lingvojn iu ajn homo. Esperanton mi lernis dektrijara. Latinan kaj klasikgrekan samaĝe kaj poste en la universitato (ok jaroj de studado, antaŭ pli ol kvindek jaroj!). Aliajn lingvojn mi lernis loĝante en landoj, kie oni ilin parolas. Tengo a veces dificultad para no mezclar español y portugués, o sea para no hablar portuñol. Ahora hablo castellano todos los días, y por eso la dificultad está sólo de la parte del portugués. Pero con la ayuda del control de ortografía de la computadora, puedo todavía escribir en este idioma sin errores.

Lima 08:54, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ralph Bunche

Yes, you are welcome. The first names on my user page (#1-4) were articles when I first came to Wikipedia, but did not know enough to help out with. But eventually, as I gained experience, I was able to contribute, and yes, Ralph Bunche was one of the first articles I was able to add to. As you saw, I took care to mark my Featured Articles. Ancheta Wis 00:07, 10 October 2005 (UTC).

But scientific method is the primary article I watch over on Wikipedia. I am afraid it will never become a featured article because everyone loves to touch it. History of science was the most fun because there were dozens of us to collaborate together. ]

I have a picture of Bunche's bust at UCLA which I have not yet uploaded. Bunche Hall is only a partial picture because I couldn't get far enough away to get the entire building, and eucalyptus trees kept getting in the field of view. Your message reminded me to search for the image and upload it.

[edit] Re: Putonghua and Chinese

In Putonghua lessons, teachers and students write in Chinese (well and Pinyin). I am not chanllenging the connections between Putonghua and Chinese and saying they are two languages. What I said was that they're not the same thing, and (written) Chinese can be taught without using Putonghua. Cantonese speakers, for instance, are not considered to be learning another language in Chinese lessons. — Instantnood 10:00, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] offcap

um...i usually use the language according to my own fancy, so my writings often sound unidiomatic. of course "to offcap" means "to take off the hat to salute" in my mind, is it strange? :-D --K.C. Tang 17:39, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lutherans as Protestants

Dear Dpr: Thanks for being sensitive to my concerns here. The new paragraph is quite well done and quite balanced, saved the part about scholars of religion. I happen to be one and know many that find little use in the term Protestant -- even for other traditions. About all it connotes is "we are not Catholic or Orthodox."

I wonder if the intro is the place for it, however. It turns into a tangental paragraph here. I'd like to move it down to the place where we discuss Lutherans and their relations with other Christians. I'll leave it where it is for now until we can talk it out. --(Talk) CTSWyneken 01:52, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] On NPOV

Thank you sincerely for advice; please excuse my late repsonse. I would concede your point that an article which is both neutral and authentically Catholic is conceivable, but I believe that the creation of such an article is exceptionally difficult, which I am sure you understand. If you have any suggestions which you have not yet mentioned on how to accomplish that goal, please do not hesitate to post them on my talk page. I have also read your exhortation and shall seek to follow it. God bless you.--Thomas Aquinas 20:26, 16 October 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Those Pesky Lutherans

Thanks for the invite, Dpr! I apologize for the delay in responding -- things are very busy here these days (something about being at mid-term on a graduate school professional staff...

There are two main things for conservative, or as we like to call ourselves, confessional Lutherans.

Number one is what we call divine monergism -- that God is entirely responsible for our salvation, front to back. We sum it up in the reformation's slogan: salvation is by grace alone through faith alone by the merit of Christ Jesus alone. We believe that, before He made the world, God knew us, loved us and chose us to be His children. He knew we would fall into sin and would be unable to save us. In the person of His Son, Jesus, God came to earth, became a man, lived a perfect life in our place, became the one and for all time sacrifice for our sins, earned for us the forgiveness of sins, eternal life and salvation. Upon ascending to heaven, He sent His Holy Spirit to create faith in our hearts through His Word, Baptism and the Lord's Supper. Luther sums this up best in his Small Catechism: "I cannot by my own reason or strength believe in my Lord Jesus Christ or come to Him. But the Holy Spirit called me by the gospel, enlightened me with His gifts, sanctified and kept me in the truth faith..."

We differ with Catholic and protestant theology on this point substantially. For Catholics, as I understand it, humans are born with a weak, but genuine faith. This faith is strengthened as it receives God's grace in the sacraments, acts of devotion to God and through prayer to the saints. It is weakened through sins of various kinds. If a Christian dies with more merit than sin, he or she goes to heaven directly. If not, he or she spends time in purgatory to prepare for entry into heaven.

For Protestants, one needs to do something to be saved -- accept Jesus as savior, live a holy life to show they are his, speak in tongues, be kind to the poor or any number of things.

For Lutherans, this in effect condemns people to hell, since original sin makes us unable to do anything that pleases God apart from Him.

The second is the absolute, sole and final authority of God's innerant Word. Traditionally we express this in the phrase "Sola Scriptura." For us all tradition is secondary, as is reason, to the Word of Gof Himself.

For Catholics, tradition is a necessary interpreter of Scriptures. For Protestants, it is human reason. Both seem to us to be saying that the Scriptures are a closed book that needs a key to unlock it. We disagree.

On the Lord's Supper, we believe that the elements of bread and wine and also the true Body and true Blood of our Savior are present together in the sacrament.

Does this help a bit?

Bob Rev. Robert E. Smith Electronic Resources Librarian Concordia Theological Seminary Lutheran Church -- Missouri Synod

--CTSWyneken 01:21, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Confucianism

Not at all; people have to do the same for me often enough... --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 20:49, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Names

Glad to meet you, Dpr. Funny you should ask about my name. I guess you could say that 'Wesley' is a nod to my past. It's my first name given by my parents, who apparently admired John Wesley a good deal, though they were Lutherans at the time. When I started on Wikipedia, it seems like there were a lot more real names and fewer nicknames; my user page was originally at Wesley back before they realized the clashes that sort of thing created and came up with the User:Wesley sort of convention. At church I go by either 'Wes' or 'Theophan', after St Theophan the Recluse. Wesley 14:13, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] kNIGHTS

Beyond the Knights of Columbus article there isn't much. My AA and $2 can get me a cup of coffee. I have a lot more credits in History, that and the coursework in Philosphy pretty much rounded my technical education. We need more help in the other Catholic stubs. Dominick (ŤαĿĶ) 10:58, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] re: See also links

There are some cases where, in order to determine the correct decision, we need to take a close look at policy. Then there are other cases which are so clear that they are the ones that we set policies by; where a reductio ad absurdum is acted out before our eyes. For instance, I am sure no one thought we'd need a policy stating "There are five hundred million issues that contain some moral component; it is utterly impractical to link each and every one of them to Morality or a POV fork thereof, and utterly unbalanced to link some such articles and not others. Therefore we will limit such links to articles that have more than just 'some' connection to morality." But as it turns out, someone who wanted to promote their POV fork article did indeed do just that. When people actively try to game the system in order to subvert Wikipedia's goals, it's not enough to just ask "Is this the sort of thing that has already been spelled out as being against policy?" One has to ask "Is this the sort of thing that clearly should be against policy?" In the case of promoting an article via "See Also" sections when the connection between the two is at least two steps, I think it's completely clear that we cannot allow this sort of abusive loophole. -- Antaeus Feldspar 18:42, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright violation

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, such as St. Mechtilde, but we regretfully cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. For more information about Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, take a look at our Five Pillars. Happy editing!--NHSavage 21:17, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, your point about the text being in the public domain is interesting - I am concerned still because I assume you copied it from the 2003 on line version which is copyright. I'll stick somehting on the copyright violation page and see if anyone else comes up with something.

[edit] Name puzzle

I was interested that you picked up on the name. Your surmise is not correct. Op. is an abbreviation, but it will need some detective work to determine the full form. No more clues! Op. Deo 05:12, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re racist conditions of VC award

Hey Dpr. Your edits to Victoria Cross saying it could not be awarded posthumously (then), or be awarded to colonial troops -- but could be awarded to their white officers -- is intriguing. Can you give authoritative refs? Moriori 06:07, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

By no means can I provide refs--now that you've "called me" on it, I guess it should be said that my edit was a poor choice in an attempt to broaden the original adjective used: European. I was surmising that officers might be not merely European, but also Australasian, even if they were ethnically/genetically of European descent. Can you rephrase it more clearly for me in the article? Sorry and thanks for your help! --Dpr 06:14, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Dpr, I moved your response from my talk page to here for continuity. Regarding the substance of your reply, I think I should revert your edits to the article. No probs. Cheers. Moriori 07:46, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Isotalo

I see User:Peter Isotalo never replied to your question about what Isotalo means. It is Finnish and means "big house". — JIP | Talk 12:10, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the welcome,

But I am not logged in...it should be obvious who I am for real. I am on a WikiBreak so I decided not to log back on for a while, and only add to the encyclopedia sporadically. Thanks for the welcome, since people will know who I am, I'll confess that I've been asking people silly questions with this IP...I didn't have the courage to do it under my user name. 65.35.197.181 16:17, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

This silly questions include "is this [Wikipedia] what you do with your spare time..?" I even talk to myself, I think it is hilarious! 65.35.197.181 16:19, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] vietnamese french v. tay boi

thanks for the kind words. vietnamese french, though not standard french, is not a pidgin like tay boi. it maintains, for the most part, the grammar, syntax and vocabulary of standard french, but with various influences from vietnamese and surrounding languages. tay boi, meanwhile, takes french vocabulary (and often the vocabulary of other surrounding or influential languages such as english) and grafts those words onto a vietnamese grammar and syntax, but all very simplified: "me hungry" instead of "i'm hungry", "me stop work [noun]" instead of "i'll stop working", etc. hope that helps! gaidheal 17:52, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] James Herriot

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Hi, I work at the James Herriot museum "The World of James Herriot" in Thirsk, so, yeah, I have to keep myself informed about him and his life! :-) Also, the fact I've been reading his books 30 yrs helps (a bit of an obsessive fan you could say...)

John

[edit] Boccaccio

In your edit summary for Sicilian octave, you asked to have your translation of the lines from Boccaccio verified. The first half is fine; it's the last three lines that are tough. You read "suo" as "her [soul]," which can't be right I think, because suo is masculine and anima is feminine--suo really has to modify "Dio." I looked up Donald Cheney's fairly free translation, and working backward I think I've got it. Feel free to keep working at it! Chick Bowen 02:33, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Disculpa

Disculpa si te escribo en castellano, pero he visto el mensaje que me has dejado en mi perfil de la wikipedia catalana y quisiera saber qué quieres de mi. Gangleri2001

¡Ah! Bueno, pues entonces lo mismo digo. De momento aún estoy cursando mi primer curso en la universidad, así que aún soy un poco novato y no he visitado aún Asia. Perdona que no te escriba en inglés, pero es que lo estoy olvidando al estudiar tantas lenguas :P Gangleri2001

[edit] Thanks!

Dear Dpr: Thanks for the message left on my page. Those types of messages inspire me to keep working here. Kudos to you as well for your magnificent work!

Thanks and God bless you! Sincerel yours, Antonio Lockomaster Martin

[edit] Race of Jesus

Hi, I certainly don't want to delete what yoiu wrote. All of the Hispanic references were deleted by an anonymous editor earlier in the week (User:81.151.149.48) without explanation - including the whole of the last section. I initially restored them, then decided to make some changes to avoid objections in future. The changes included removing the Our Lady of G references, mainly because they were not directly about Jesus, but also because I really couldn't understand why this image was being singled out as more significantly "hispanic" than others. Still, I don't really mind it being there! Paul B 11:37, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you for your remarks

Thank you for your gracious comments on my talk page. I am similarly interested and impressed with the topics you have started, and I share your prayer for Darfur and for an end to oppression. Joaquin Murietta 14:48, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Seem hold?

Can you explain your addition of ", seem hold," into the Athanasius of Alexandria article? It doesn't make any sense to me gramatically or otherwise. Am I missing something? mennonot 10:04, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review/Yuan (surname)

If you have a minute, could you take a look at the article Yuan (surname) - I've put it up for peer review (see Wikipedia:Peer review/Yuan (surname)/archive1). I hope to make it a model for expanding other Chinese surname articles. Since you've contributed to the Chinese surname article, I would really appreciate your suggestions. Yu Ninjie 21:57, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Yuan (surname) made featured article. Thanks for all your kind help and suggestions in the peer review stage. I'm trying to get it on the front page for 12 December, the 90th anniversary of Yuan Shikai's restoration of the monarchy in China. (See Wikipedia talk:Tomorrow's featured article#Yuan(surname).) Thanks again, and hopefully we can work together again in the future. Yeu Ninje 19:13, 22 November 2005 (UTC)


[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Walter Ciszek, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.
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[edit] Ronline for Admin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Ronline and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship#Ronline . I have nominated Ronline to be Administrator for English Wikipedia. Let's vote for him! Bonaparte  talk & contribs

[edit] On the Catholic Church of Wikipedia

As you have described yourself as a Catholic, I thought I would alert you as a co-religionist to your opportunity to delete the particularly offensive article, Wikipedia:Catholic Church of Wikipedia.--Thomas Aquinas 22:21, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Alexander for Admin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Alexander_007 ,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship#Alexander_007 . I've nominated User:Alexander_007 as admin. Let's vote for him! -- Bonaparte talk & contribs 14:37, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sources for Jesuit Asia missions

Hello, good work on Jesuit Asia missions, and thanks for the contribution. However, you did not any references to the article. Keeping Wikipedia accurate and verifiable is very important, and as you might be aware there is currently a push to encourage editors to cite the sources they used when adding content. From what websites, books, or other places did you learn the information that you added to Jesuit Asia missions? Would it be possible for you to mention them in the article? You can simply add links, or see WP:CITET if you wish to review some of the different citation methods. Thanks! Lupin|talk|popups 21:08, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually, Jesuit Asia missions was the article that (via the Random article link) caught my eye - I was just after a reference that can be used to verify the assertions in that article, essentially their name, the details of their foundation and their geographic spread. Of course if you want to add references to other articles that you've written then that'd be great! Thanks, Lupin|talk|popups 22:01, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gestalt Picture

I make an easy example picture for the translated Gestalt Article if you can tell me haw to put it on the page. Veritas Liberum 00:04, 8 December 2005

Opps, sorry! now that I looked at your talk page under Gestalt I noticed the expanded article. A suggestion: can you get rid of the white space after the first paragraph, I thought that was the entire article. Veritas Liberum 00:04, 8 December 2005


[edit] Why are Kazakhstan Germans not discussed at greater length?

Because you didn't write it! If you know about it, write about it!!!saluedo 17:51, 8 December 2005


[edit] Thanks for the warm welcome

Many thanks. Try keep going to contribute --Lucius1976 19:35, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Belated thank you

I'm still learning how to use Wikipedia. So here's what I said in responce to what you said on my userpage, which I foolishly responded to on my own userpage:

I'm glad you appreciated my picture for Chinese cuisine. And even more glad you caught that embarrassing mistake with my birthday when you did! In Suzhou dialect, thank you is something like "xia xia"(not in pinyin, sound it out as if was english). I was in Suzhou last summer, where that picture, along with hundreds of others, were taken. I plan to write a few articles about the arts of Suzhou, especially pingtang. Something that I don't know much about, but I can at least make a start with information gathered from relatives. Thanks for dropping by! --Xuzicheng 22:52, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category Being Deleted

Dpr: Some time ago, you created a category called Non-Chinese known by Chinese names, and I like this category and added more names to it, but some users are trying to delete it. Take a look at it and try to keep it! --Roland 23:12, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your assertions in the Police action article

That article has had some activity lately. I was frankly surprised when I looked at it. It contains a number of assertions that I believe are incorrect. And when I read through the history, I saw the bulk of them were your work.

The Korean War was an International effort undertaken under United Nations auspices. I believe the UN introduced the term "Police Action" when it authorized this conflict.

I am old enough remember the War in Vietnam. No one called it a "Police Action" during the war. No International body authorized that war. So far as I am concerned no claims that a conflict is a "Police action" should be taken seriously unless a well respected, unaligned International body authorizes it. This was definitely not the case in the USA's use of force in Vietnam. It was the case in the Gulf War of 1991. The UN did not authorize the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, or Panama, or Angola, or the Bay of Pigs, or, of course, Vietnam, Cambodia or Laos.

The Invasion of Grenada was authorized by the Organization of American States authorized . Arguably, you could assert that the invasion was a "Police action" because of that authorization. But I wouldn't I'd reserve the term for those conflicts actually authorized by the UN.

Can you cite a source for any of your assertions in this article? -- Geo Swan 12:10, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lolicon straw poll

There is a straw poll about how images should be included on this page ongoing until the end of March. kotepho 22:06, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hanlin Academy

On 6 June last year, you added a note to say that the Hanlin Academy "was one of pre-modern China's four imperial academies, alongside Yuelu Academy and others". Could you tell me where you got this information? I'm unable to find any source to support it. Thanks. Bathrobe 14:17, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eastern New Mexico

Hello, nice work on Eastern New Mexico (I improved it a bit)...do you happen to live in that state? I'm a New Yorker who is thinking of settling out there, it would be great to meet Wikipedians in N.M. Best, Paul 01:57, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Huaxia

Hey, by the way, in an edit last year to Huaxia, you added that Huaxia is a modern northern China. Is that correct? I'm not familiar with such an ethnic group. - Nat Krause(Talk!) 07:14, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Saints Wikiproject

I noted that you have been contributing to articles about saints. I invite you to join the WikiProject Saints. You can sign up on the page and add the following userbox to your user page.

This user is a member of the Saints WikiProject.


I also invite you to join the discussion on prayers and infoboxes here: Prayers_are_NPOV.

Thanks! --evrik 17:38, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Northern Han

I have just significantly expanded the article on Northern Han, the kingdom. Your addition of the genetic group didn't really fit in with that article. I have created a Northern Han (disambiguation) page from which you can create a page dedicated to the genetic group should you desire. Ludahai 10:34, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category nominated for deletion

I have nominated Category:Gang of Four for deletion. If you have any objections, please go to Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_December_2#Category:Gang_of__Four. --Niohe 20:04, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Influential pre-modern women

I noticed that the Category you created, "Influential pre-modern women", is likely headed for deletion. I understand that categories like this take quite some time to develop and flesh out, yet this particular one appears to be unwelcome at Wikipedia, unless I'm misunderstanding the argument. I hope that you will continue your work here at Wikipedia. However, just so you know, there are also other wikis out there that might very well welcome such a Category project as yours. You might start by looking at Wikia.com, Centiare.com, or PBwiki.com. If you feel that this message is too spammy, you are welcome to delete it from your discussion page. --JossBuckle Swami 13:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category nominated for deletion

I have nominated Category:Alleged puppet states for deletion, as I think it encourages unsubstantiated allegations, as with Iraq recently. This is possibly not how you intended it to be used. Boson 23:45, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fantastic article on Chinese House Churches!

Dpr - wonderful article, and excellent links. I'm working on a book synopsis for Wikipedia on Randy Alcorn's book, Safely Home, and when it's done, I'd love your feedback. Thanks again, for Zhu Yesu Jidu! Soltera 21:41, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Burma/Myanmar

Hi! Please join us! Chris 05:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi I Removed a link from your talk page

The site is being considered for removal from the spam whitelist and if that happens you won't be able to save any changes to your talk page while the link removes. I therefore removed it to prevent this happening. I hope this is OK. --Spartaz Humbug! 20:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Taco Box

An article that you have been involved in editing, Taco Box, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Taco Box. Thank you. Endless Dan 13:55, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Taco Box

A tag has been placed on Taco Box, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia per CSD a7.

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as an appropriate article, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is appropriate, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the article and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

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[edit] CfD nomination of Category:Religious architecture

I have nominated Category:Religious architecture (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) for renaming to Category:Sacred architecture (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. Hersfold (t/a/c) 04:59, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Beijing

Hey Dpr! I'm currently planning the launch of the WikiProject Beijing, depending on if enough other editors would be interested in such a project. I saw you have edited the main Beijing page recently or in several times in the past and therefor might be interested. If you are, please sign: User:Poeloq/WikiProject_Beijing. As I am posting this to quite a few editors, I am not watching your page and would ask you to reply with any comment or questions on my talk page. Cheers, Poeloq (talk) 21:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Beijing

Hey Dpr! I'm currently planning the launch of the WikiProject Beijing, depending on if enough other editors would be interested in such a project. I saw you have edited the main Beijing page recently or in several times in the past and therefor might be interested. If you are, please sign: User:Poeloq/WikiProject_Beijing. As I am posting this to quite a few editors, I am not watching your page and would ask you to reply with any comment or questions on my talk page. Cheers, Poeloq (talk) 21:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)