Talk:Downtown MRT Line

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[edit] More about the plan of Downtown MRT Line reveal

"Five stops planned for first phrase of Downtown MRT line" That was the article on the main page of the 15th March 2007 edition of The Straits Times. The article tell us that:

  • Estimated Cost: S$10 billion
  • Estimated completion: 2020
  • Estimated Ridership: 600,000-750,000
  • Likely MRT interchange along the Eastern Region section includes Chinatown, Bras Basah and MacPherson.
  • The Eastern Region section will then continue eastward, passing Kaki Bukit, Bedok and end at Tampines. It could also branch off towards Telok Kurau and Marine Parade in future.
  • The Bukit Timah section will intersect all MRT line, including CircleLine, with possible MRT interchange at Bugis, Jalan Besar, Little India and Botanic Gardens. This section will end at Bukit Panjang.
  • "More people will be attracted to take the train as the network becomes more comprehensive and better able to bring people from point to point across the island." Quote from Mr. Cedrid Foo
  • The rail ridership is expected to surpass the bus ridership when Downtown Line opens.
  • The other MRT station along Downtown Line not mentioned above: Dhoby Ghaut (another possible alignment) & Bedok North (possible interchange of the possible Marine Parade extension).

I hope that the following information could be added in the article. I, however, may not be able to reply quickly as I am quite busy. Aranho 06:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Location of stations

If anyone know where are the station locations, please let me know so that I can update the geo-location maps. Thanks!--Vsion 07:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] stations

Those showed on ch5 news weren't officially announced by LTA or MOT. In fact, ch5 news only showed part of the line, plus the fact that when the map was shown, they were talking about the awarding of contract for bugis and promenade stations; hardly convincing. The video can be found here. The stations should not be treated as confirmed. - oahiyeel talk 07:40, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Also, you would notice that "bedok" had an interchange symbol in the video. that was never announced, but seen in some rail fan maps in the past when the "ERL" cut through bedok into marine parade. - oahiyeel talk 07:43, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
The local media, in particular the local news, simply do not have a reputation of displaying any map of this nature based purely on speculation. If the media has displayed a map which was not disclosed officially, than this still qualifies to be displayed in wikipedia, based on our WP:V policy. Kindly be affray with wikipedia's policies before attempting to institutionalise personal policies.--Huaiwei (talk) 15:16, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm not about to go into any edit war, and if you insist, I would not remove the stations any more, but note that the article's headline was "Locations of Downtown Line stations will depend on commuter traffic" - in short, nothing is confirmed, even if it displayed a map with these locations. Plus the fact that bedok was showed with an interchange symbol - does it mean that we can now edit the station article and change it to an interchange station instead? i think not. just my two pence. - oahiyeel talk 02:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
i think those stations are not offical. i think it is shown on the map is because the line passes through those place. Ragnaroknike (talk) 05:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Do you have reliable sources to counter the information displayed? If not, personal opinions do not count.--Huaiwei (talk) 11:21, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
If you may notice, there is a stark difference between station location and station names. I fail to see how the case of Bedok should render this entire list as "unofficial", when they were all shown on national television run by a "state-controlled" media company. Wikipedia is about verifiability, not truth. Kindly be affray with basic wikipedia guidelines. Thank you.--Huaiwei (talk) 11:20, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
FYI, the media company you're talking about is not "state-controlled". Had the information specifically reported on the official transcript of the news or read out by the news anchor, I'd say that is reliable information. Assuming a picture in the background is correct, instead of the main focus of the use of picture (in this case contracts for Bugis and Promenade), is not reliable information. The verifiability of the information in question should be the LTA/MOT or any government authorities. Another point to note: yes it may qualify to be displayed in wikipedia, but not in a misleading way, i.e. it should not be in the same table as the list stated as "officially announced". It could be placed as a note below the table (as I have done after some anon IP edits removed those stations). - oahiyeel talk 19:25, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I would like to you to quantify just in what way MediaCorp is not state-controlled when it is a wholely-owned subsidiary of Temasek Holdings. Do you have evidence to show that MediaCorp's choice of content is independent of the government's? The fact remains that the state-controlled media will ultimately scrutinise carefully what it shows on national television, even if it is just a background animated map. Would CNA actually bother creating an animated map with information based on hearsay or (horrors) the fantasises of individual wikipedians? I wonder for how long you have been watching local television not to notice this. WP:V do not give additional credit to government or official sources. In fact, these official sources would be considered as primary sources, which are considered less desirable than secondary ones. In light of this, I have restored the said information.--Huaiwei (talk) 20:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
What the media reports does not go through the censorship of the government. Media in sg practices self-censorship. As such, their choice of content is DEFINITELY independent of the government. Also, as for the map that appeared recently, it has appeared before in the article about speculative maps here. If you insist on adding the stations, I rest my case. Anyway it seems many IP edits do not agree with you; so I would not be bother with you anymore. Someone who frequently & controversially gets into 3RR/edit warring, and often insist/forces their views on others just ain't worth my time and effort. - oahiyeel talk 21:54, 16 February 2008 (UTC)