Talk:Doukhobor
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Can you be a Christian and not belive in the divinity of Christ ?
- according to most since the First Council of Nicea, no. But this is a matter of ecuminical debate.
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- I just dropped by to add the BC Wikiproject template but know a bit about this so: the whole point of Doukhobor belief, like that of certain other anabaptist groups like the Cathars, is transcendent of the existence of a church or a need for one. By anabaptist here I use the termn to mean explicitly heretical Christian groups which were never part of the Catholic-Orthodox structure - which was a product and also the driving force behind the Council of Nicaea. Which should be understood not to have been a Christian council so much as a Roman imperial political council on what Christianity was going to be and how it would serve the interests of the Empire, of Caesar. Likewise Chalcedon (which is one reason the Assyrian and Persian and Nestorian and Assyrian Churches all said by-by there, and not just because most were monophysite). Christianity is not defined or limited to the known historical churches; the historical heresies are just as important and quite often a lot more vibrant; as with the Amish or also with the Hutterites and Doukhobors. The Doukhobor philosophical teachings are said to be traceable back to the Bogomil heresy of the Balkans, which is also connected with the Cathari in Italy and France and ultimately was said to have roots in the MidEast, in the very thew of early Christianity - not a method of community or political oragnization, which is a church; but a teaching. Bible literalism and other modern perceptions of Christianity are just that; living a Christ-like life is the Doukhobor trip, living the teaching, rather than preaching it. I'm not Doukhobor but I'm always impressed by their position on various matters and participation in the local peace and ecological movements, and rather than being a conservative force in the West Kootenay and Boundary (as other Christian groups so often are, other than the United Church and Anglicans) they're very progressive in their social thinking and political awareness and all that. And I don't drive Hwy 3 often, but there's this place in Grand Forks for borscht...Skookum1 08:58, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
- Something might be added about how they are often incorrectly associated with the Freedomites or both terms are used synonymously. My dad grew up in Mount Vernon, Washington and there was a lot of sensationalist media coverage on them by the CBC. They were treated like Jim Jones or Waco, when infact the Doukhobors themselves are of course, harmless Russian-Canadian pacifists. Khirad 00:45, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Amen to that, my dad's side is doukhobour, go creston.
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[edit] vegetarianism amongst Doukhobours
Hello all. I was very impressed by the Doukhobour philosophy, especially the fact that they were vegetarian! Can ayone tell me if they are still vegetarian in current times? Thanks!
Tushar Mehta
Some are, some aren't. It's based on Tolstoy, who was a vegetarian, but of course, not everyone is strict with their religion. I know plenty of jews who eat pork. -- TheMightyQuill 12:39, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
A lot of the philosophy of the vegetarianism is attributed to the idea of peace and nonviolence. I am a Doukhobor myself, but I don't adhere strictly to the vegetarian ways. Many of my relatives do eat meat, but our traditional dishes are still vegetarian, and many meals served at large gatherings (Weddings and funerals) are usually vegetarian, or mostly vegetarian. VinnyDeath
[edit] Nudity
I remember reading newspaper articles about the British Columbia Doukobors practicing nudity associated with some beliefs about the Garden of Eden, and about feuds between two branches of Doukobors resulting in some shootings. The trials were held with the accused and the jury of his Doukobor peers in the nude. Does anyone know more about this? Filll October 5, 2006
- See Freedomites. -- TheMightyQuill 23:28, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Worldview
If there are really 30,000 Doukhobors in Russia, perhaps this article should give information on them too. Anyone? -- TheMightyQuill 03:01, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
That would be interesting. How would we get information on them I wonder? We need Russian members to help us !--Filll 03:12, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- Interesting that although there's no Russian article on Doukhobors, there's an article in Georgian. Still, as far as I know, they were all ethnic Russian, not just from the Russian empire. - TheMightyQuill 03:34, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
the gergian dukhobors are an extremely interesting if small and dwindling group, their villages in javakheti in southern georgia contain what they call the mecca of the dukhobors: the house and final resting place of their last hereditary prophet-leader. this certainly merits attention in the article, see the european council on minority integration report, 2006
[edit] Do Doukhobors belong to the Old Believers?
This article is certainly in need of attention of an expert on the subject. I'm not pretending being one, but I do happen to know enough about the Old Believers to know for sure that - in cannot be said often enough - Doukhobors do NOT belong to the Old Believers and that they do NOT originate neither from the Schism of 1666-67 nor the Old Believers. They appeared only in the 18th century, as did the Molokans, also a sect mistakenly considered to be from Old Believers' origine, and are highly influenced by protestant teachings. In this repect this article contained some very strange and - I dare say - false statements and I took the liberty to delete them. See S.A. Zenkovsky's book about Russia's Old Believers on the subject (S.A. Zenkovky, Russia's Old Believers, Moscow 2006/Зеньковский С.А. Русское старообрядчество, Москва 2006). The Doukhobors (and Molokans) aren't even being mentioned in this standard work - and that's not an omission by the author, it's simply because they are not Old Believers. It obviously can't be repeated enough. It's also an absolute puzzle to me why both of these sects should have got anything to do with Eastern Orthodoxy... Vasilij 16:29, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Animal Emancipation
While I'm sure the comment attached to the picture of the women pulling the plough may be correct in some aspects, Doukhobors, particularly the Sons of God, practiced animal emancipation, whereby all draft animals were released of their duties and humans were conscripted to take the place of the animals. I believe the picture of the women pulling the plough may allude to this aspect of their belief system. I'm not sure how to alter the caption. Reference is to C. Yerbury, "The 'Sons of Freedom': Doukhobors and the Canadian State," Canadian Ethic Studies, 16, 2, (1984):47-70. K-80did (talk) 09:41, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
