Talk:Doug Jones (actor)

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Contents 1 Copyright 2 Archaic Spanish? 3 Due weight to film appearances 4 The Voice of Abe Sapien in Hellboy II: The Golden Army 5 Silver Surfer: NOT motion capture 6 WikiProject class rating

[edit] Copyright

The biography is just taken from his home page [1] - I've asked Hellmistress for clarification but thought it worth droppin a note in here too. I would imagine that the biography probably also violates NPOV guidelines so it will need some reworking I just want to know what we are working from before going ahead. (Emperor 02:44, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

I used the biography I wrote for Doug's site back in 2004. As his Webmaster I hold full copyright for the biography, and also any information about Doug that I post here at Wikipedia. I have also tried to keep the biography as neutral as I can without being bland, and I've attempted to keep as tightly as possible to NPOV guidelines - for example, Doug did speak his Spanish perfectly, according to the Spanish-speaking director and crew. But if you feel the biography violates these guidelines, then I will happily take any suggestions you have on board. Hellmistress 18:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

OK thanks for the clarification (its why I didn't add the copyright violation tags. I've removed:

• Your signature form the entry - you only add it in discussion areas
• "sensitive and elegant" to give "But it was his performance as Abe Sapien" - you and I might think it was sensitive and elegant but you need to prove it so if respected reviewer said it then feel free to add "But it was his performance as Abe Sapien, which ?? of the ?? called 'sensitive and elegant,'"
• " - which he did perfectly" to give "he also was required to learn huge chunks of dialogue in archaic Spanish." - again, as above, if you have a quote from Guillermo del Toro saying he did it perfectly then drop it in (with a reference to the source).

Thanks for expanding the entry (and working on some related entries) I'm a fan of his work (and am really looking forward to Pan's Labyrinth) and its good to see such a good entry. One extra thing is that the image of him you upload probably needs the licensing clarfiying - best tags for this (wrap them in double curly brackets) are promotional and withpermission. Hope that helps. (Emperor 14:46, 15 July 2006 (UTC))

Umm... actually, as a writer, you probably don't own the copyright to the material you wrote; your publisher does. In which case, if it's Doug Jones's web site, it's HIS copyrighted material and you have no right to it. I might just be speculating; can someone confirm? -Midnightdreary 15:39, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I should also add that you definitely don't own the copyright to anything you put on Wikipedia - it's a "copy left" free use site. =) -Midnightdreary 16:09, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I own and run Doug's website - the words and article are mine. I published it. Ergo, I own the copyright as owner of the site. I'm also happy to share that work here on Wikipedia as a free use site. Oh, and by the way - everything on the site is posted after approval by Doug, and what you get is fact and nothing else. Therefore, for example, if the site says that Doug has never worked in a green screen leotard, then that's straight from Doug and not second-hand from a website that has not done its homework. I must admit to objecting to having to put citations from dubious web articles rather than put a citation to a page on Doug's site that has nothing but the fact straight from the actor himself. But I believe I'm not allowed to do that? Hellmistress 01:08, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

That is correct. WP:COI means "You should avoid linking to a website that you own, maintain or represent, even if the guidelines otherwise imply that it should be linked." source. Best thing you can do is follow the advice there and drop the link into a talk page. Seems a bit silly but thems the rules (I know because I've fallen afoul of them myself). If you want you can drop me a note on my talk page pointing me to whatever it is and, if someone hasn't already got it, I'll sort it out (if it is within guidelines, of course ;) ). (Emperor 01:27, 16 June 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Archaic Spanish?

I realize that alot of the information here is just lifted from his website, and therefore not necessarily the fault/responsibility of the person placing it here, but it seemed to me that the faun was simply speaking Castillian Spanish. Granted, my Spanish isn't as good as it used to be, but I didn't hear anything archaic about the way he was speaking.

Perhaps someone with a better grasp of Spanish could clarify? Perhaps there are subtleties I'm missing. 68.116.143.113 06:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I run Doug's website, and I posted the information here, so you can be assured it's accurate - the information all comes from Doug himself. As for the Spanish ... I don't speak the language, but I'm assured that the variation El Fauno speaks is an older form of Castillian Spanish. Hellmistress 07:49, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Notice he address the girl as vos. "Vos estades" = archaic Spanish.

[edit] Due weight to film appearances

The current wording seems to give too much emphasis to his roles in Mystery Men (where he played Pencilhead in a bit part), and Batman Returns (where he is credited as "Thin Clown"). I'm not quite sure what the best approach to revising that section would be, but I think its important that we avoid giving the impression that he was a lead in those films. Serpent's Choice 09:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

The wording merely says that he can be seen without prosthetics in those particular films - nowhere does it mention that he is the lead or otherwise. Hellmistress 01:48, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

The best approach would be to remove the "with X" bits as it makes it sound like he co-starred in those films. The final sentence needs work. Make it its own paragraph (as it follows on the end of a discussion of him without prosthetics) but tone it way down or move it to the start of the paragraph.

Jones is known mostly for his work under prosthetic makeup, in particular his performance as Abe Sapien in Hellboy. However, he has also appeared without prosthetics in such films as Adaptation., Mystery Men, Batman Returns, and indie projects such as Stefan Haves' Stalled, Phil Donlon's A Series of Small Things, and as 'Cesare' in David Lee Fisher's 2005 remake of the 1919 silent classic The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari.

Something like that. I'd also query such statements as: "Doug has continued his collaboration with del Toro into 2006, as he reprised his role as Abe Sapien by voicing the character in the new Hellboy Animated television project, recording two 75-minute animated films" as del Toro has little to do with the animated series. (Emperor 02:39, 17 February 2007 (UTC))

That would work. As for the animated films ... Guillermo is a Consulting Producer, along with Mike Mignola, and worked a great deal on the two animated films alongside Mike and Supervising Director/Producer Tad Stones. Whether this will continue if the third film is green-lit, I don't know, but GdT is very much involved in 'Sword of Storms' and 'Blood and Iron.' Hellmistress 07:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Voice of Abe Sapien in Hellboy II: The Golden Army

There have been erroneous reports that the voice of Abe Sapien will be once again provided by David Hyde Pierce - this is incorrect. Doug will be playing ALL of Abe in the film. Hellmistress 17:29, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Silver Surfer: NOT motion capture

There is continuous use of the phrase 'motion capture' to describe Doug's peformance in Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer. This is untrue. Doug has stated many times in interviews that he has NEVER done motion capture in a film in his career, including this film. The Silver Surfer is a combination of Doug's acting performance, a prosthetic suit designed by Spectral Motion, and digital enhancement by WETA. Hellmistress 20:57, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

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