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[edit] No sources
This article does not cite its sources. Especially needed is a source for this statement: "However, since the election of Chen Shui-bian as President of the ROC, a growing number of disgruntled Overseas Chinese people have increasingly identified themselves more with the People's Republic of China (PRC) and less with the ROC, somewhat lowering the profile of Double Tenth Day in these communities."
--Danreitz 13:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree. Anyway this unreferenced inforomation was deleted by 130.207.136.209 at 19:34, 10 October 2006. --Neo-Jay 03:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Double-Ten vs. Double Tenth
In most grammar situations, it makes more sense to use a hyphen when adding numbers to a descriptive adjective, e.g. a six-year anniversary. The use of Double Tenth Holiday or Day seems to make no sense. Since the holiday is popularly known as Double-Ten, why not just replace all references to 'tenth' with '-ten'?
[edit] Chungcheng's repeated edits.
This post is to document User:Chungcheng's repeated edits to this article.
User:Chungcheng has repeatedly introduced the following paragraph:
- "The Double Ten Celebrations accross the globe were a huge successThis sweeping statement is unsourced and inherently unverifiable. What is a "huge success"? What do you mean "across the globe"? Is this a reference to this year's celebrations only, or elsewhere? By what criterion do you determine it to be a "huge success"? A generalisation such as this smacks of WP:OR. In San Francisco, hundreds[citation needed] gathered to watch the ROC flag being raisedWhy is this notable? When did this occur? How is this type of minutiae encyclopaedic at all?. They were also on hand to take part in celebrations at Union SquareWhy are the San Francisco celebrations deemed more important than activities in Taiwan?. The Republic of China also had National Day celebrations in Taipei, Taiwan. The President of the Republic of China presided over the ceremony and was cheered on by his countrymen.Again, unsourced, and blatantly untrue. Anyone who reads the news will know about the huge protests surrounding the national day celebrations this year."
Apart from being generally encyclopaedic and blatantly wrong in sections, this paragraph is either written in the wrong tense or missing crucial information: it is written in the past tense, suggesting an event or state in the past; however, no dates or times are provided. If the paragraph was intended to reflect a continuing state of affairs, then it should be using the present tense or present perfect progressive.
Furthermore, User:Chungcheng has repeatedly deleted the following paragraph:
- Before the sovereignty of Hong Kong was transferred to the PRC in 1997, many ROC supporters there would display patriotic and colorful flags (mainly the national flag of ROC) to celebrate Double Tenth Day. Since the transfer of sovereignty to the mainland, the anniversary of the Xinhai Revolution continues to be celebrated, but not under the "Double Tenth Day" name. Much larger festivities now occur on October 1, the National Day of the PRC.
and labelled it as "communist propaganda" without even any argument as to why he or she consider this paragraph to be inappropriate. --Sumple (Talk) 23:10, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
There is no need to mention PRC. That is communist propoganda. -ChungCheng 03:06, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
- You have said that about 20 times so far. Now please elaborate which part of the paragraph you are trying to delete is "commuinst propaganda". --Sumple (Talk) 03:12, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
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- It is that paragraph that i keep deleting -ChungCheng 17:46, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Where is the evidence of Hong Kong? Why dont we also add somethin about ROC double ten in PRC article about there national day? And i can give sources for San Francisco chinatown and other Double ten celebrations. -ChungCheng 00:34, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- Which part of the paragraph are you disputing exactly? That Hong Kong's sovereignty was transferred to the PRC in 1997? Or that the anniversary of the Xinhai Revolution continues to be celebrated? If you want more citations, add a {{Fact}} tag. You don't just go into an article and delete whatever information offends your political tastebuds.
- And again, your paragraph contains unencylopaedic information and is not written in an encyclopaedic tone - it sounds like something out of a school newsletter. --Sumple (Talk) 01:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] RfC: inclusion as a Chinese holiday
I am requesting comments on the inclusion of this article into the category of Chinese holidays. 12:15, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Edit History:
User:Wl219 originally made the inclusion [1]
User:Certified.Gangsta reverted without explanation [2]
User:Wl219 reverted, asserting that the "holiday celebrated by Chinese people = Chinese holiday" [3]
User:Wenzi reverted, asserting that since Double Ten Day is not a public holiday in the People's Republic of China, it should not be included. [4]
User:Wl219 reverted, replying that "no consensus that Chinese holidays category must be public holidays of PRC - see Category talk:Chinese holidays." [5]
User:Certified.Gangsta reverted, accusing Wl219 of "pov pushing" [6]
Comment There is nothing about the category Chinese holidays that requires a day to be a public holiday at all, much less a public holiday in the PRC. Double Ten Day is celebrated by Chinese on Taiwan and by Overseas Chinese. Even in the PRC, the revolution of 1911, which began on this day, is still commemorated. Thus there is no reason not to include in the category and there is no POV issue. Wl219 12:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Comment I think we should just move the category to Category:Chinese_festivals. We have PRC holidays, and ROC holidays for the national holidays. Anything else that is not listed in either should be classified in festivals. Wenzi 15:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Comment On Wikipedia, China =/= People's Republic of China. It is a well established principle and convention, as reflected in the naming conventions. Therefore, a "Chinese holiday" does not equal a "Holiday of the People's Republic of China". If it is celebrated as a holiday in any part of "China"/anywhere by Chinese people per se, then it is a Chinese holiday. --Sumple (Talk) 01:17, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Comment The reasons for inclusion is clear enough. The assertion of "Chinese holidays" includes all holidays that is celebrated by peoples with Chinese heritage. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 19:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Comment I support inclusion for the same reasons as Aqu01rius above.--Danaman5 23:50, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Comment I've removed the NYC reference to Jeremy's, doesn't make any sense to me. I am a Canadian currently living in Taiwan.Range 14:23, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
