Wikipedia talk:Don't stuff beans up your nose

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[edit] Misc

It's short, but says all that is needed. Omit needless words. — Xiong熊talk 06:28, 2005 Apr 20 (UTC)

I love it! Are you going to make WP:BEANS the shortcut? --Tony Sidaway|Talk 16:54, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes a very good lesson to learn. -- Francs2000 | Talk 16:55, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

As creative as this seems at first, I recall a song in the musical, The Fantasticks called "Never say no," (see link where one of the verses says, "Why did the kids put beans in their ears?// No one can hear with beans in their ears.// After a while the reason appears.// They did it cause we said no." As I have always said, There is nothing new under the sun MPS 01:20, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

How about merging this with Wikipedia:Words of wisdom? Ingoolemo talk 05:12, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

No! This is much too entertaining to merge anywhere, and plus we'd lose the WP:BEANS shortcut which is outstanding and makes a useful point. The page is fine as it is. -Splashtalk 13:02, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
Other subsections of WOW have shortcuts all their own. We can still keep WP:BEANS. Ingoolemo talk 03:10, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
Don't tempt me. I'm the kind of person if you put up a "DON"T TOUCH THE SCREEN" sign (actual event) I will because you've tempted me. If you don't want me doing it, please don't put a sign up saying not too. I'll probably leave it alone if you don't tell me not to. O.K.?-GangstaEB (at war)-21:01, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't get it.
People seem to be confusing this with "Spilling the Beans" in regards to certain capabilities (WP:OFFICE and WP:RFCU come to mind) that involve keeping information from users. Not quite the same thing imo. ~Kylu (u|t) 03:43, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Ingoolemo, this is pointless as it stands, and reads more like an Uncyclopedia policy. Merge. \\Ollo87 20:33, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
No way! I like the BEANS shortcut as well. No merging here. ><Richard0612 UW 21:32, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another self-defeating policy?

Clearly this page is just a thinly-veiled attempt to advertise a new Wikipedia policy, which would be something like

Do not tell people not to do a specific stupid thing.

Of course, telling people to do a specific stupid thing would then be declared a stupid thing, since it is against policy.

But then, telling people about the policy would violate it, and clearly this page should be removed as contradicting Wikipedia policy established by itself.

Kind of like WP:IAR.

RandomP 00:00, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

WP:DENY is an extention of this page. Anomo 04:06, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

No, the policy says
Do not tell people not to do a specific stupid thing, if they did not do it.
Prophylactic is the key phrase here. So this telling people about the policy does not violate it, if these people violated it. 82.135.83.244 22:05, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I liked that summation so much I added it in slightly modified form as the "In a nutshell" bit on the top of the page. I hope nobody minds. -Toptomcat 19:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

This is not a policy, nor a guideline, it just an essay. Although I've thought that it might be a good idea to pump it up to guideline status anyway. mike4ty4 00:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

You have to wonder if having this essay here might actually encourage people to tell others not to do stupid things in anticipation of them then doing the stupid things. (Bagofants 11:21, 9 May 2007 (UTC))

Agreed it is pointless and stupid at the same time as it has an example of what it means by encouraging which has the same effect as encouraging. (ie they use said example) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.49.8.234 (talk) 09:57, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What's the point?

What's the point of this silly essay? It does nothing for the encyclopedia? Idiots! Moomoomu 09:36, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Making personal attacks, are we? 22:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
If it weren't for this essay Willy on Wheels would have destroyed Wikipedia by now. oTHErONE (Contribs) 11:03, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Philosophy

Some people just do things because they're not supposed to. For example, when some stupid authority figure that you hate walks up behind you and starts relentlessly barking at you to walk out of the room, that just makes you walk even slower. Telling people not to do something gives them ideas. That's why my move log was once populated with WoW-style pagemoves. The LTA pages were deleted per WP:DENY, which, as previously stated, is an extension of this. Feh. ~ Flameviper 22:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't see the relevancy of this article after it was used towards me when I was concerned about alot of pages being vandalized that I reported at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection so they used this joke on me claiming I had no evidence. Although the pages I put up for petition had so much evidence of vandalism going back months. This is a ridiculous policy to insult people and shut down arguments claiming "You're making up stuff.". ViriiK 12:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image

I am pretty sure this warning applies to dried beans, as baked or cooked beans don't stay and don't require a trip to the doctor's to get them removed. KP Botany 04:32, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. I changed the picture to be of some lentils. Stebbins 15:31, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I have changed it, though, on the advice of the neighborhood mothers, to this image, and will find an on-line reference to make sure this is not seen as original research. KP Botany 20:39, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Discouraging the insertion of these beans to nasal passage may seem like a good policy, but may lead to unintended consequences when told to a person with a naive and adventurous mind.
Discouraging the insertion of these beans to nasal passage may seem like a good policy, but may lead to unintended consequences when told to a person with a naive and adventurous mind.
I love this place. --Kizor 16:19, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
In an English class at high school, a teacher told a story about how she got a Tic-tac stuck up her nose. My friend had tic-tacs... 125.237.226.66 04:35, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Paragraph about articles

In the spirit of boldness, I've added the following paragraph to the page:

This rule applies only to meta-content such as project pages and talk pages, not to articles. Wikipedia is not censored for anyone's protection, and dangerous ideas in articles are covered by the risk disclaimer.

As far as I can tell, this reflects existing policies. I think I've seen WP:BEANS cited as a reason to suppress dangerous/stupid ideas from article content in at least one or two places, which probably means it's going on elsewhere as well, so I thought this clarification would be a good idea. Hopefully it won't disrupt the essay's pleasing brevity too much. (If you think it does, perhaps enclosing the paragraph in parentheses would help.) Feedback and changes are, of course, welcome. –Sommers (Talk) 15:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I noticed that several days ago, an anonymous user added the following (which was reverted) below the paragraph I added: "(In other words, the exercise of free speech is worth the risk of a user's suicide, but not the risk of wikipedia vandalism.)" In case this idea troubles anyone, I submit that suicide is serious enough that information about it should be indiscriminately available, while Wikipedia vandalism is not. –Sommers (Talk) 07:56, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Actually, My impression when just seeing your disclaimer was OH MY GOD, HOW OUTTA PLACE... sorry. Glad to find it's a recent change.
To whom it may concern... on the Merge proposal. I'm deleting the merge templates, since you didn't follow the implied instructions and begin a {{merge}} discussion section starting with your rationale. If you don't state reasons how can anyone agree or disagree with you or them? // FrankB 19:01, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I was alarmed to find that the assertion that "WP:BEANS does not apply to articles" is being used to defend the placement of <!-- hidden instructions --> which often specify which types of vandalism would annoy us the most. — CharlotteWebb 12:01, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

This is not a 'rule'. It does not have applicability regions. It's a caution, and nothing more. It is uncitable to all intents and purposes. If someone actively cites it at you, then club them over the head, gently, with the relevant actual policy. I've removed the paragraph about applicability as a result. I'm minded to ditch the templatecruft also. Splash - tk 15:02, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I was actually aware of some of the problems with the word "rule"... but I used it anyway since I wanted to deliberately avoid using the terms "policy" and "guideline", since WP:BEANS, as an {{essay}}, is neither. I agree that "caution" certainly works better. However, I still think some mention ought to be made of the fact that WP:BEANS does not override the risk disclaimer when it comes to "dangerous" content in the main text of articles -- which excludes any kind of self-reference in the article namespace, including <!-- hidden instructions --> and templates, to which WP:BEANS would apply. –Sommers (Talk) 17:53, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This essay is beansy

Until I read this article, the idea of using prophylactic admonition had not occurred to me, now I am tempted to use it all the time. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me) 19:04, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

That's akin to using a template to warn against WP:DTTR! xenocidic (talk) 04:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Guideline?

This essay is routinely cited as Good Thing To Read all over the place, and I can't think of a single situation in which it would be a good idea to stuff the beans up your nose. Make this a guideline? Moreschi Talk 10:36, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm opposed to making this a guideline because of the multitude of ways it can be accidentally violated by acting on the noblest of motives. I would hate to see a "violation" being used against someone in a dispute. Not all excellent essays should to be made into rules. ←BenB4 06:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
It has happened more than zero times that a WP contributor has mockingly referred to something as a "beans violation" ... as a joke. Making this a "guideline" would detract from the credibility of the guidelines that people *should never* take as a joke. (This essay should be taken seriously also, but the essay title seems to make that difficult for some contributors). dr.ef.tymac 21:29, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Of course taking it "seriously" does not mean you must keep it a hard and fast rule that you cannot break without penalty -- it is far from such, there is no true penalty for a WP:BEANS "violation" as such. mike4ty4 (talk) 01:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
No. Just because something is really good advice, does not mean it will be a good rule. Violating WP:BEANS is its own penalty, no reason to enforce it. (1 == 2)Until 18:45, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Censorship

That's what this essay is used for. No, I don't think Wikipedia should hide any information from anyone just because people could use it to do harmful things. It goes against the essence of this project, which is to bring information to everyone, assuming they won't use all that information to destroy the world. I hope this never becomes a guideline nor anything more than an essay. A.Z. 21:15, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree totally. If people can do something, they may do it regardless of whether we mention it.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 22:09, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

This essay is totally pointless. Thats all I can really say about it. ʄ!•¿talk?

It has been useful in my experience. Just because there is a way for someone to cause a problem does not mean people actually do it. If you point these things out then suddenly everyone does it. This essay is advice on self restraint, censorship does not enter into it. It won't become a policy or guideline, it is just an essay. (1 == 2)Until 18:43, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The link to crash Wikipedia

I think the link should be removed according to WP:BEANS. --Ŵïllî§ï$2 (Talk!/Cont.) 15:20, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I think your comment should be removed according to WP:BEANS. - Face 17:17, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
What's your problem? --Ŵïllî§ï$2 (Talk!/Cont.) 22:25, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Your comment might persuade people to click on the link to destroy Wikipedia, which of course you should never do. - Face 16:50, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Eh oh, I think I just violated WP:BEANS myself :-(. Face 16:50, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Removing it will make it impossible to get to, so they can't get to it. --Ŵïllî§ï$2 (Talk!/Cont.) 19:41, 27 May 2008 (UTC)