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Main: Australian cricket team in England in 1948 (32K), 1948 Ashes series (12K)

Players and manager: Sid Barnes (51K), Donald Bradman (90K), Bill Brown (35K),
Ron Hamence (20K), Neil Harvey (40K), Lindsay Hassett (29K), Ian Johnson (45K), Bill Johnston (26K),
Ray Lindwall (82K), Sam Loxton (22K), Colin McCool (33K), Keith Miller (41K), Arthur Morris (48K),
Doug Ring (3K), Ron Saggers (22K), Don Tallon (41K), Ernie Toshack (17K), manager: Keith Johnson (9K)

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Last update: Mattinbgn\talk 00:25, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

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In his fourth match, he displayed his batting ability with 58 and 86 against the Clarrie Grimmett led South Australia.[1]

Ambigous line. One would think that Grimmett was the captain of SA

He played in his first Test series, against Wally Hammond's touring Englishmen in 1946-47, setting a record of twenty dismissals in a series.

Be more specific about what the record is. Strudwick took 21 against South Africa in 1913-14 (http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/0/324/t_Batting_by_Season.html ). Tallon was the second to take 20 in a series.

This was highlighted by his 92 in the Third Test at Melbourne, in which he combined with Ray Lindwall in a 154 run partnership in just 92 minutes.

Don't know what is right but Wisden report has 87 minutes Tintin 02:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Perry reference

Hi,

This article needs the full Perry reference somewhere. Just 'Perry (2001) p.167' isn't much help if you want more information. –MDCollins (talk) 17:40, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Where to from here?

After a lead and new copy edit, does the article need PR or can it now be listed at WP:GAC? -- Mattinbgn\talk 04:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Having a dip. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:08, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good article nomination on hold

Hey there Blnguyen. Before reading this, please keep in mind that I can be a pedant and some of these suggestions could seem very minor. I have reviewed the article and have placed the promotion on hold. During the review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of 6 January 2008, compares against the six good article criteria:

Blnguyen is away for a bit. I will try and respond on his behalf. Of course if he is watching, feel free to disagree with anything I add here. -- Mattinbgn\talk 08:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
1. Well written?: There were a few minor grammar or spelling mistakes, some of which I have already dealt with. For example, there was the odd full stop missing and an excessive word or two. There are some others I should also mention but thought I shouldn't change myself in case other editors feel I have become too involved in the article. These include:
  • italisicing Wisden throughout;
  • Y Done
  • capitalise "Bodyline" (The Invincables are capitalised)
  • Y Done
  • In the "Post-war resumption of career" section, you mention the "Clarrie Grimmett led South Australia." This makes Grimmett sound like the captain. Would "Grimmett led South Australian bowling attack be preferable?
  • Y Done - made a similar change
  • Under the "Invincibles Tour" section, there is a sentence that ends "McCool was not to play a Test on the tour, as Johnson was the only regular spinner." I think ..."leaving Johnson as the only regular spinner" would read better.
  • Y Done - made a similar change
  • At the end of "Later Career" you have the odd not quite sentence "continuing to play in Bundaberg for the next decade." Which needs to be fixed.
  • Y Done - fixed now.

If these can be dealt with the article will go a long way towards being GA.

2. Factually accurate?: There are a number of unreferenced statements that need to be referenced:

Introduction

  • "regarded as one of the finest glovemen in Test history...
  • In the "Style" section there is this "According to his English counterpart Godfrey Evans, Tallon was the "best and most nimble keeper ever" while Australian team-mate Alan Davidson called him the “Bradman of keepers". This is cited, do you want a similar cite in the lead?
It seems that this is the style, so the Evans cite, if nothing else can be found, would be satisfactory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roisterer (talk • contribs) 21:51, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

First-class debut

  • Sentence beginning "Bradman praised Tallon...particularly his ability to glove balls passing down the leg side.
  • I suspect it is from Perry, but I don't have a copy of the book. One for Blnguyen.

Pre-War non-selection

  • The first statement "Queensland was a weak cricketing state" and the rest of the statement claiming the Board of Control picked NSW, Vic and SA players ahead of others also needs one.
  • Once again, I suspect this is from Perry, p. 190, but will need to wait.
  • In the next paragraph, the statement that Grimmett and O'Reilly were the world's best leg spinners.
  • This is obviously true but Pollard (I have that one!) does not state this explicity. Will find a source.
  • The unofficial reason of his non-selection being his unfamiliarity with Fleetwood Smith et al.
  • Y Done added now, from Pollard p. 355.
  • Barnett dropping Leyland and Hutton.
  • I can find half a dozen sources for missing a stumping of Hutton on 40, but nothing about Leyland. Will keep looking.
  • his appealing reaching new levels of sound.
  • the fastest Australian to reach the mark (of 100 first-class dismissals).

Post-war resumption of career

  • Barnett intended to retire in the near future.
  • Walker killed in action
  • possibility that selectors would choose younger wicket keepers like Langley or Saggers.

Test debut

  • Tallon declaring to Bradman that he would dismiss Hutton down the legside and then the dismissal itself.
  • Perry quote about Tallon's trapeze artist act.
  • Wisden referring to Tallon's partnership with Lindwall as "hurricane".
  • His prolific cutting before getting out to Wright.
  • His keeping further lauded in the second innings of the 5th Test.

Invincibles Tour

  • He did not wet his inner gloves as was his custom.
  • bruised right finger due to Lindwall bouncer.
  • new ball every 55 overs = favourable for fast bowling.
  • His diving was estimated to have saved around 40 runs.
  • Another dive to stop a leg glance resulted in severely bruised little finger.

Other Issues A few other non-references related issues:

  • Tallon joining the army. This page lists a few extra details of Tallon's war service.
  • Is there any further information on why he decided to retire one match into a season? Sounds like there could be an interesting story behind it.
  • Any more info on his 1st marriage? Such as where she might have hailed from (not incredibly important but it seems the section on his life outside of cricket is a bit sparse).
  • What did he die of? Any ideas?
3. Broad in coverage?: Yes.
4. Neutral point of view?: Yes.
5. Article stability? Yes.
6. Images?: Yes.

All in all, this is very good and only needs these issues addressed to be GA. --Roisterer (talk) 06:06, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi there. I have now sourced all the things in question, apart from the O'Reilly Grimmett thing, they were all further down the paragraph. I have added in the extra Army stats. Unfortunately for the extra info, there does not seem to be any biographical book on Tallon, only the General histories of Australian cricket and the "best of" books with mini-bios for each player in the collection. Unfortunately none of them delve into the marriage issues, outside life issues much. Unfortunately they didn't explain why he suddenly took his gloves off either...I suppose he might have just felt that it was time. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:56, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Great stuff. I realised I missed one reference, the quote by Tallon in early years: 'Tallon later said of his decision to don gloves, "You are never out of the game [as a keeper], and that suits me fine".' I wouldn't have worried about it except it's an direct quote and should be referenced. Other than that it is ready for GA. Well done. --Roisterer (talk) 12:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Done, thanks, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:04, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
    I'm impressed at the diversity of sources
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
    interesting information about the production
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail: