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[edit] Shipman's Tale
Just reading the shipman's tale and noticed the adulterous monk Chaucer repeatedly refers to as 'daun John'. Any possibility of a connection here? Asking more out of idle interest than any real conviction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.77.38.67 (talk) 21:11, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] unidentified Don Juan themed work
I have a recording of a song/album about Don Juan with no identification and I'm not sure if it's listed here. The music is symphonic and cinematic, possibly a film score, and the recording sounds to be from the 1960s or 1970s. Some of the lyrics are "Don Juan, you are Don Juan, you're a woman, sent from heaven, to hell, to hell..." The male vocalist sounds almost a bit like David Bowie. If anyone knows what or which work this is, it would be greatly appreciated and I would add it to the Works list if it's not already there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.205.247.9 (talk) 03:28, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Strange POV segment
Is "Don Juan's legendary stories makes for a great influence on its weak-minded readers. It has been documented that readers of Don Juan often change their lives to an anti-social mindset in attempts to idolize Don Juan" really part of this article and NPOV? It looks like something a troll put there.
– Uh, yeah. I'm taking it out. Wordie 15:43, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Why unlink Don and Juan? -- Error 22:02, 9 Sep 2003 (EDT)
La Celestina may be an earlier appearance, with Don Juan as a minor character. Sparky
[edit] Byron
Byron's famous version of the tale is somewhat different from the traditional Don Juan; does it perhaps deserve its own article?
If I'm not missinformed, Don Juan is now a catholic saint. We have all observed the complicated relation the Catholic church has to sex, but hopefully Don Juan had some other pages in his C.V. then just a string of conquests. 213.199.75.34 15:58, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Other Don Juans
Don Juan is also a character who appears in Journey to Ixtlan, The Teachings of Don Juan and A Separate Reailty, all books by Carlos Castaneda. He is a hunter, sorcerer, teacher and guide to psychotropic plants. No relation to the Don Juan of the current article.
Also closely related is Chaucer's Daun John, who lends the money of a husband to a wife, is repaid in sex by the wife, then leaves after telling the husband his wife owes him the money. Since this was written around 1386, it deserves mention as one of the earliest recordings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.243.37 (talk) 11:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
---Since Juan Matus is in no way related to this character, I am removing Carlos Castaneda's link from the article.
[edit] Most agree that Don Juan is based on a legendary 17th century Spanish nobleman Don Juan Tenorio.??
Most do not agree that he is based on Don Juan Tenorio. The family existed in Sevilla on Tirso de Molinas time, but no source exist about a libertine Don Juan Tenorio. Some have mentioned a Miguel Mañara as model for Don Juan, other have found likeness in contemporary theater, but it is all speculation and should be placed in a chapter called Speculations over the origin of the Don Juan character. I will erase it. Jakosa 11:04, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
- There's a curious parallel in some mediaeval english poems - I know of 2 which feature a generic "Sir John" character as lover (and another 2 featuring a "Jack"). Could be that in Spanish as well it was the generic name for Johnny Q. Seducer types, but then got turned into a specific myth. (For reference: Penguin Classics' "Late Medieval English Lyrics and Carols", poems 109-112.) godescalc 18:02 27 November 2006 (GMT+1)
[edit] The Statue
My sources say the statue was in a church. However, the article says the statue was in a cemetery. I just want to know which is true, or whether they are both true. My sources say Don Juan was in a church, because he had committed a crime and hid in the church to hide from the authorities, since one could not be arrested in a church in those days.
-Technically they are both right. Most legends depict the graveyard as being attached to the church. According to Washington Irving's Don Juan: A Spectral Research the church itself and the graveyard are both part of a convent- specifically the convent of San Fransisco. This was also, according to legend, the same convent where Don Manuel de Mañara attended his own funeral. -ALD
[edit] it:Don Juan
I had removed the it:Don Juan link since it was linking to the "Don Juan" swedish tv series by Ingmar Bergman. The Italian Wikipedia doesn't have an article about Don Juan/Don Giovanni character yet. Unfortunately a bot added the it:wiki link again and I really can't start an edit war against a bot :D --Absinthe88 01:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Mozart
Don Giovanni is an opera comique by W.A. Mozart depecting the story of Don Juan that is completely unmentioned in the article. I personally do not know enough to write the article myself.
[edit] Pronunciation
It would be useful to have a pronunciation guide to how to say "Don Juan" - I've heard at least three ways of saying it. Davidbod 11:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
- The problem might be that "Don Juan" is pronounced differently in different parts of the world? In Sweden for example, it is common to pronounce it in swedish, rather than in spanish. Oddjob se 12:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
- Huh? I'm Swedish and have never heard anything else than a Spanish pronounciation (or at least an attempt of it). I'll come back when I hear someone say Herr Johan ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.100.46.246 (talk) 16:44, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Except for radio announcers and university professors, who invariably pronounce it "Don Jew-Ann", most of us pronounce it "Don Won". No less an authority than Alex Trebek pronounced it that way on Jeopardy a couple of weeks ago, and went out of his way to point out that this was not a mistake, to avoid the letters, as he put it. So why is what sounds like a hillbilly affectation considered the "true" pronunciation? I consider this to be one of the great unsolved mysteries of this century. Ivan Denisovitch (talk) 02:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
The only alternative pronunciation of which I'm aware is in Byron's Don Juan (Joo-ahn), which is only done to fit the rhyme scheme. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamdummar (talk • contribs) 04:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Don Juan and Don John
I always got the idea that Don Juan initially got started as indirect myths about Don John of Austria.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Austria
Who supposedly thought of invading England and marrying Mary Queen of Scotts but died before it amounted to anything. It would seem a mistake far more easy to make when you read history books where Don John's name is translated into English as Don Juan rather than Don John.
Is it reasonable that the myth of Don Juan has nothing to do with Don John?
Editilde22 03:11, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] religious themes
One thing the article doesn't mention is that several Don Juan plays had religious implications. In Molina's play Juan repeatedly says he will do penance later; and of course "later" never comes; in Moliere's version Don Juan is depicted as an sceptic who fears no punishment after death. The 19th century version focuses on whether Don Juan is redeemible, while Shaw's MAN AND SUPERMAN portrays topsy-turvy versions of Heaven and Hell. 76.122.75.89 (talk) 02:27, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
