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Reviewed version: August 26, 2006
Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 3 December 2007. The result of the discussion was Keep.

This article was taken from Everything2 with permission:

  • WolfDaddy says Are you a member there? If so, if you'd like to post it, you have my permission :-) I don't need ANOTHER database into which I will be sucked.
  • General Wesc says Cool, thanks. This will, of course, mean it's lisenced under the GNU FDL. (For what it's worth, anonymous edits are allowed.)
  • WolfDaddy says That's cool, I have no problems with it going under GNU. Have fun! :-)


Fantastic account of the Dominion war - I especially like the implications section. Great work!

"One of the Jem’Hadar attack ships made a kamikaze run for one of the Odyssey’s warp nacelles as the Odyssey was retreating, using its phased polaron beam to punch through her shields despite rotating shield harmonics." - doesnt it run into the deflector, and some piece hits the right nacelle? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk_qs6BtdbY


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[edit] Wow!

This is a superb account of the Dominion war. As a regular Star Trek simmer, this has been bloody useful in trying to set up a new game!

I've converted it into a year-by-year timeline in present tense (and anglicised a few things). Is it okay to use it on my website, obviously with a rather large link to the original on Wikipedia? I don't know if it's at all useful to anyone else but I'm more than willing to post it up here too.

All of Wikipedia (save for a few images) is released under the GNU FDL. Putting a copy on your website should be fine provided you include the copy under the same lisence and provide a link back to the article on Wikipedia. You may also need to list the authors, but I think a link to the edit history will suffice. Wikipedia:Copyrights may help answer any questions you have. -- General Wesc 19:08, 2004 May 18 (UTC)


I've removed a couple of sentences from the aftermath section, because they were based on speculation and from stories in non-canon novels. Please do not add information from non-canon sources and your own supposition. pomegranate 02:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Galaxy-class

I was just browsing through some Star Trek articles and decided to check this one out. Just one comment that I wanted to make is that it seems that there is two much of the galaxy-class in the pics. All three pics are one of the galaxy-class ships during the war. Maybe it could be evened out a bit. Chuck 17:17, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it needs to be "evened out," as the reason for the numerous Galaxy Class ships is obvious. Each of the pics you refer to illustrates a key battle of the conflict with the Dominion. The pic of the Oddysey should stay because that battle could be viewed as the opening battle of the war, even though it happened some years before the "all out" war did. The next pic is a scene from the Battle of Bajor, in which Galaxy Class ships played a very prominent part. Indeed, there is onscreen evidence that a minimum of 8 to 12 Galaxy Class ships participated in that battle. The final pic shows a scene from the invasion of the Chin'Toka system, where again the Galaxy Class ships played a prominent part. The specific image has good visual impact because it demonstrates the power of the Cardassian weapons platforms.
Finally, you seem to have missed the fourth pic on the page. The very first image shows a scene from the Battle of Bajor. The ships most prominantly pictured are the Sitak and the Majestic, both Miranda Class ships, and both in the process of being destroyed. I think the images on the page are fine as-is. Toroca 09:14, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] original research

the section "Aftermath similarities with the Second World War" seems to me to be largely original research. --60.225.2.209 14:15, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

It was my intention to delete the article... This section discussing similarities between the Dominion War and WWII is poorly written and completely unnecessary. It details events of the Dominion War that have already been covered in the preceding paragraphs of this article. This article need only be concerned with canon facts established from the series. --Adarredo 20:48, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Failed GA

This is a well-written and complete article, but I'm afraid that I had to fail it because it contravenes WP:WAF. Most of the article takes an in-universe perspective, describing the Dominion War as if it really happened. While this may be helpful for fanfic writers, this approach doesn't belong in Wikipedia. MLilburne 09:12, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I disagree, how can you write such an extensive article without going 'in-universe'? 203.114.140.222 02:10, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
What's wrong with an in-universe perspective? MLilburne 06:49, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I think modifying this article to such an extent as you are proposing would severely diminish it; currently it is an excellent article documenting the events of the war as seen by the viewer. Surely thats what the article should be? (Unlike at Memory Alpha, when it should not be based on the viewers viewpoint, but actually in-universe). 203.114.140.222 04:30, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree that it would mean major changes to the article, but if you have a problem with the policy, you might want to take it up on the policy page rather than here. MLilburne 08:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

–Operation Return was a victory, not a defeat... DS9 was reclaimed, the invasion fleet from the Gamma Quadrant was eliminated, and the Bajoran wormhole remained closed to Dominion traffic. 68.33.88.35 23:52, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sisko was created by the Prophets

It currently reads "They, for unrevealed reasons, adopted Sisko as their emissary to the Bajoran people". There was an episode later on that showed that they had created his mother, sent her to Earth to mate with his father, give birth, and then disappear. They wanted him to exist. Of course, they act surprise he does when they first meet him, strangely enough. Dream Focus 17:59, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What are the Gorn doing there?

I see the Gorn Confederacy put in the list of the allies. I've seen all DS9 episode about the Dominion War, and there was never any mention of the Gorn taking any side in this conflict.

I am on a public computer forbidden to edit this out, can someone do it?

Agreed, the Gorn do not play a role in the Dominion War whatsoever. I don't think they were even mentioned, unlike the Tholians (who were mentioned as having a non-aggression pact with the Dominion in the Season 5 finale).--Werthead 12:53, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
The Gorn article says the manual for the computer game Star Trek: Bridge Commander says the Gorn were allied with the Cardassians and the Dominion. Memory Alpha's article on the Gorn also cites the graphic novel The Gorn Crisis and the novel Articles of the Federation. I doubt any of these three things are considered canon, though. -- General Wesc (talk) 05:02, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deus ex machina?

Amusingly, the resolution of Operation Return does not fit the definitition of deus ex machina as given in the linked article. The existence of the Prophets within the Bajoran wormhole, Sisko's importance to them as the Emissary and their extremely powerful abilities were well-established in many episodes prior to this one, from the pilot onwards. The definition given in the Wiki article is:

"an unexpected, artificial, or improbable character, device, or event introduced suddenly in a work of fiction or drama to resolve a situation or untangle a plot (e.g. an angel suddenly appearing to solve problems)."

The Prophets were not introduced suddenly (they first appeared 130 episodes and more than five years prior to this one) and their acts in this episode had ramifications for later ones (i.e. it wasn't a get-out-of-jail free card). A viewer familiar with the series would also be reasonably expecting the Prophets to appear once the Defiant entered the wormhole (their home territory). Thus the term deus ex machina is used inappropriately, and I have removed it.--Werthead 12:53, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Dominion Control 02 (small).jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Battle of Chin'Toka.jpg

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[edit] Merge in Chin'toka here

Bolsters this article, and merges a stubby one. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:USS Odyssey Attacked.jpg

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[edit] Aftermath: Klingons joined the federation

I seem to recall in an enterprise episode where archer is taken to the future, that in some point in time the Klingons became part of the federation. Is there anything to support that this happened in the aftermath of the dominion war? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.143.79.252 (talk) 11:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)