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Out of curiosity, what is the plural of dominatrix? Is it dominatrixes, or dominatrices (as in matrix / matrices)

According to Websters/Dictionary.com, either of these forms is appropriate for the plural construction: n. pl. dom·i·na·trix·es or dom·i·na·tri·ces [1]

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[edit] Cleanup

This article lacks structure, and needs cleanup and copyediting. -- Karada 16:43, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

I think the pictures (particullarly the first one) are not needed.GolumTR 20:39, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ivy (soul calibur)

woah, hold it. I can see how Pleasure change is dominate...ing, but punishment change does almost nothing. In fact, it may be the most inconspicuous stance change in the entire game... (Please respond on my talk page.) tinlv7 21:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] On User [80.78.159.210]

The Dominatrix Story Interview with a Mistress and with Guides on How to be a Dominatrix are constantly being removed by the user 80.78.159.210. However, it is a good resource and reference for this article. Please read the article and then discuss it here with the rules of Wikipedia.

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[edit] Merge articles

I believe the article "Lifestyle dominatrix" should be merged into this one. Nevermorestr 06:29, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Someone has proposed merging in Professional dominant.

  • Merge as it all seemed covered here already. Some bits might need to go to Master (BDSM). (Emperor 15:20, 8 July 2007 (UTC))

The name Domina may have several meanings but should most certainly not be merged with the concept of Dominatrix. There are so many beautiful meanings to the name for it to be solely affiliated with one meaning. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drstamas (talk • contribs) 18:29, August 22, 2007 (UTC).

I would argue against merging this article with Professional dominant, as there is a distinction between the two. One can be a dominatrix without being paid for it, while there are a small number of male professional dominants who would therefore not qualify as dominatrices. So while there may be overlap between the two, they are still distinct sets of people within the BDSM community/subculture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DesmondRavenstone (talk • contribs) 15:52, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I would argue for renaming this article to 'Domme' and transfer any dominatrix references to the article 'Professional dominant'. A lifestyle Domme may also be a dominatrix, but a dominatrix isn't necessarily a lifestyle Domme. The term dominatrix implies 'professional', with all connotations of the word, and as such may be taken as a slur by some lifestyle Dommes who do not perform for money. I don't know what meanings for the word you have been given, but if you try flinging it around at an actual munch or bondage organization, you are going to get a stern and unforgettable explanation of the difference from more than one in attendance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.81.77.13 (talk) 00:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

We already have Female dominance for this, and I think it is a better name than "Domme" (which doesn't seem to be a proper word). I think this article should be left to covering things like the imagery, stereotype and popular culture of dominatrices - that's what the article is currently mainly about, after all; not every female dominant dresses up in the stereotypical dominatrix way, and it would be POV to imply that. Mdwh (talk) 01:19, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
"Domme" is the term that's been used in lifestyle BDSM at least since the 80's. Understand that there's a firm distinction between the terms Domme and dominatrix. It's not just a stereotype that dominatrices are professionals, the definition of a dominatrix is a woman who dominates clients for money, as opposed to a Domme, who dominates her personal submissive(s) in her personal relationship(s). If there is a separate article on Female dominance, then much of the material dealing with non-professional lifestyle BDSM should be moved there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.81.77.13 (talk) 01:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Also understand that as a professional, the connotation with prostitution is unavoidable, even if the dominatrix does not have sex for money. Because of this, even though Dommes who are also dominatrices may be some of the most respected members of a bondage community, the term dominatrix can be taken as an insult by Dommes who do not perform professionally. 97.81.77.13 (talk) 01:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
I know that dominatrix has different connotations - that's why I suggested the Female dominance article, rather than starting a new article Domme. However, I disagree that dominatrix means for-payment by definition - that's not the dictionary definition. I don't think this article has much coverage of lifestyle domination, it mainly only covers it to explain the differences. Mdwh (talk) 02:11, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spam

The photo, most of the external links and some of the media references are all just spam. This article is not in any way approaching any kind of professional standard.

How is the photo spam? Videmus Omnia Talk 20:14, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
A free image has been obtained from a notable French dominatrix. Why do you call that spam ? Hektor 21:54, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
The image is definitely no spam. It makes sense to illustrate the topic and thats what it clearly does. Since dominatrices don't wear masks, I strongly doubt that we will get a much better picture soon. --Nemissimo 18:59, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jadis, etc.

I am again removing Jadis and similar characters from C. S. Lewis's work from the examples. They do not fit the definition of the article itself, and share almost no characteristics with the examples mentioned. Being evil does not in itself make one a dominatrix. Anyone remotely familiar with Lewis would scoff at the notion that he intended to portray sexual domination in his children's books. Elphion (talk) 14:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Popular culture

Dominatrixes are so common in popular culture, that this list will never be complete and will simply keep growing. I suggest removing the list and in its place leaving a brief overview of the roll dominatrixes play in popular culture. -Neitherday (talk) 22:29, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Makes sense to me. Carl.bunderson (talk) 01:03, 28 March 2008 (UTC)