Talk:Domestic partnership in Oregon

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Contents 1 move? 2 new title? 3 Partnership/partnership 4 Assessment 5 external links

[edit] move?

It looks like a bill is going to be signed this week that will create a domestic partnership status in Oregon ... this article should probably be moved to Domestic partnership in Oregon, yes? --Jfruh (talk) 16:58, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] new title?

Jfruh, I agree with you wholeheartedly. It doesn't look like there's a separate article entitled "Domestic Partnerships in Oregon" anymore. Perhaps the title of this article should be changed?

As it stands now, the title of this article is incorrect and misleading. Currently, there is no such thing as an Oregon civil union. Whether you could have a VT, CT, NJ, or NH civil union recognized in OR is a whole other question, but a civil union that was entered into in OR does not exist. Civil unions, according to their current incarnation in the aforementioned four jurisdictions, are supposed to act as an analog to marriage. They require the same procedures and grant the same benefits as marriages. The legal recognition afforded to same-sex couples in Oregon (here's the link) is different in a number of ways. Most notably:

1. The legislation specifically refers to these contracts as domestic partnerships and not civil unions or marriage.

2. There is no ceremony requirement. Case law and statute are very clear on this matter; a marriage or civil union must have a ceremony to be valid.

3. The decision by the legislature to limit of the scope of recognition only within the confines of Oregon is a stark contrast to the recognition enjoyed by marriages and civil unions, which are presumed valid in a jurisdiction other than that where the marriage/civil union was entered into (obviously, a discussion of the federal and state DOMA statutes is merited on this point, but is ancillary to the issue at hand in this article).

I think for accuracy's sake, the words "civil unions" should be removed from this article title soon. As for what the article's new title should be, I think "Domestic partnerships in Oregon" is great. I certainly think a mention of the fact that the legislature purposefully named these relationships domestic partnerships (so as to avoid any potential conflicts with the current 'man/woman only' definition of marriage in the state) is warranted. Thoughts?Ronnotronald 14:04, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Partnership/partnership

Ugh ... to match Wikipedia style and the other articles on ths topic, the the title of this page ought to be "Domestic partnership in Oregon", with a small "p", not "Partnership", capital "P", as it is now. Unfortunately, the small "p" version of the page already exists as a redirect, so I have no idea how to fix it. I'm going to enquire at the help desk about it ... --Jfruh (talk) 14:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Moved the article over the redirect; please check Special:Whatlinkshere/Domestic Partnerships in Oregon at your leisure to take care of any remaining redirects. -- nae'blis 18:48, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assessment

Though this article has a fair amount of info, most of it comes from another article summarized here. Increaseing the breadth of the article will get it to a B class. Need to convert to inline citations for further improvement. Aboutmovies 16:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] external links

It doesn't seem fair/balanced to include only the website collecting ballot signatures to countermand this law. Not that I have any idea what to do about it...--69.19.14.24 09:51, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Generally, external links should be balanced (one-to-one relationship) [1] and that should likely be done on this article. As to the site that is collecting ballot signatures, it does not appear they are doing so now, so it's kind of a moot point. 68.116.112.125 17:26, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

So all the external links are to anti-gay marriage websites. Meanwhile several of the references are to 365gay.com, a gay news service. Does this add up to balance in the article? I'm tempted to remove the anti-gay links as not being pertinent to the article, but I'm afraid that would simply be a reflection of my bias. Thoughts? Katr67 17:48, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

That is sort of a mixed bag. 365Gay is hardly an unbiased news source, but the two remaining links are clearly in opposition to the legislation in question. I believe they are both valid as they do provide more information on the topic. However, there certainly is room for other links as necessary. I'm sure articles on both sides exist. There should be balance for both points of view per Wiki guidelines (see above). 68.116.112.125 21:33, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the out of date one, and put the Basic Rights Oregon link in it's place. BRO is basically the Pro-gay rights group fighting this attempts to repeal the recent laws. Oregons republicans are natoriously fractured, and the antigay rights groups are no exception, so their are probably several sights that could be linked to. That should leave two links: Concerned Oregons Info(One Con) and Basic Rights Oregon(one pro).Kairos 10:01, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

That works. I'm going to retitle the links so it's clear why they are in the external links section. Katr67 16:49, 19 October 2007 (UTC)