Talk:Dolphin class submarine

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[edit] Type 800

The Dolphin class is not the Type 800. Type 800 is/was a 800t design, an evolution of the Type 206A. The Dolphin is an evolution of the Type 209-1300/1400. See HDW's homepage, image "Submarine Evolution". - Alureiter 21:47, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DONATIONS?

• are there any sources for the claim the ships were donated?
  • Here: [1] (in german) -- 84.165.255.114 15:28, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
    • The english article in [2] says "$1.27 billion, a third of which will be financed by the German government". Financed doesn't mean donated. Does the german text indicate explicit donation? -Poli 23:10, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
      • The first 2 Submarines were donated by the germans; The third was payed half-half by Germany and Israel; The 4th and 5th were payed 1/3rd by Germany and 2/3 by Israel, but were the most expensive ones.

Why is Germany funding these submarines? --MoRsE 10:40, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

like always: WWII or some pseudo-arguments like "German firms [[like firms in many other states] were accused of helping Iraq with its chemical weapons program" - the same reason why every half year Germany constructs new mermorials to show how bad the Germans were/are - in German this is named: "Schuldkult" 195.243.51.34 (talk) 14:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Israeli-German cooperation.

All sources available to me (including usually reliable online sources such as www.naval-technology.com) indicate that the Type 212A uses an EADS-developed FL 1800U as the EW system. This is also established on the Wikipedia article on the 212A. Furthermore, the online source cited in the previous version of the Dolphin article references a 1998 Naval Forces article which is only dealing with the Dolphins. AFAIK HDW *did* incorporate Israeli Timnex 2 for the Type 214 submarines exported to Greece, so maybe that is the source of a mixup here. 82.83.196.97 12:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)