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[edit] Replacement of image

I removed the image thumb|250px|Dolly Parton in 1987. It's a nice image but it was inserted in place of a public domain image. PD images should always be the aim where possible, and for a contemporary celebrity they are so hard to get, (for some people near impossible). If we are lucky enough to get one, it should be the one that we keep above all else. Delete anything else, but not a PD image. I've seen better and more flattering photographs of Dolly Parton, but that is not the point. It's a photograph which we are free to use, and so we should.

The image of Parton in Christmas attire from IMDB - the copyright issue there is considerably more difficult. Follow the link from IMDB and it takes you to MPTV, the actual source of the image, and which has a very stringent copyright policy - ie they say in very clear language that their images are not to be used for any purpose other than what they have given permission for. They do not give any more permission than to download low quality copies for personal use only, and expressly forbid their images to be published. They also make it clear that while they represent the use and licensing of the image, they don't claim to necessarily own the copyright. They don't offer any provision for "fair use". How muddy is that? The image should be deleted. Rossrs 13:27, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

When I saw the SNL jpg (here), I simply had to add some relevant content referring to Dolly's own humor about her "body-type," but there's no info about the rationale of "fair-use" associated with the image, as far as I can tell. The tag used says "Note: Please do not use this tag." I couldn't find the origin of this picture. I left a note on the originator's talk page to see if they would like to fix it, but anyone is naturally welcome to fix the tag and add a rationale. (I feel it may be a little beyond my own noobishness, though I'm learning to be bold). Durty Willy 03:35, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm really pretty sure that it was from the NBC press website, which used to be semi-public. -- user:zanimum

[edit] Dolly's mother's name

I changed the name Alvey Lee Owens to Avie Lee Owens because I know this to be true.

[edit] Cousin?

Anybody have a source for the claim that some pornstar is Parton's cousin? This seems pretty suspicious to me; an effort to capitalize indirectly on a sex symbol who never did X-rated stuff. --Saforrest 23:16, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Birthday

Dolly Parton was definetly not 1916. I looked it up on other sources, she was born in 1946. Don't know the day, it could be the same. I blame it on a typo on the writer's part. Not a biggie, I changed it.

EDIT: chaged before I could even do it. How about that. :-P UMMM: Is the woman dead yet???????????????????????????????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.95.173.97 (talk) 15:47, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Dolly was born january nineteenth, 1946 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.82.253.148 (talk) 13:22, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm new to this so bear with me, however: No mention of her marriage? This is an impartial encyclopedia, and she is married but NO mention is made of that? Mhathaway4 (talk) 14:18, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dispute?

This article contains two particularly glaring passages without reference, to wit:

  1. "Her extramarital relationships have been the subject of tabloid speculation for decades..."
  2. "(Parton is famous for her ample bust, now augmented by breast implants.)"

I'd like to see these rewritten, cited or removed; otherwise, I'll be adding a {{disputed}} tag. Thanks. :) RadioKirk talk to me 18:57, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

I think I most recently edited the article....I was trying to cut judiciously (this article is loooong!) but I agree these don't have any definitive support. I'm going to remove - and anyone re-adding can cite. NickBurns 23:40, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Agreed, thanks! :) RadioKirk talk to me 03:34, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Dolly was born on January 19, 1946.

Ok, i know this isnt the right categorie to talk about this in, but who took doen all the infor i had put up about Dolly's new album, cause now there is no info on it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuckertough (talk • contribs) 20:02, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Composer?

It strikes me as redundant to decribe Parton as a songwriter and a composer in the introduction -- doubtless one of her main claims to fame is as a songwriter so that should be in there, but why have a separate listing for composer as well? Has she written any music that isn't in song form? Gusworld 08:57, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Composer creates the music itself while a songwriter writes the lyrics. TJ Spyke 01:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Actually, a lyricist writes the lyrics. A songwriter writes songs, which include both lyrics and music, and generally the term indicates both. Hyacinth 08:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Dolly parton wrote the words and music for a lot of her songs

[edit] Deleted huge POV paragraph

A paragraph related around the claim Parton was one of the "few country artists to have a diverse fan base from all walks of life". This is blatant POV. For this to be fact, rather than an opinion, the many millions and millions of country music fans all around the world would have to be from the same walk of life. They are not all Texas Cowboys who like drinking in honky tonks by any stretch of the imagination! 74.65.39.59 02:16, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


LOL someone put owner of big tits! lol im gonna fix that in my registered account- Paulm27

[edit] Unsourced quotes

I deleted a bunch of quotes from the Image section per WP:BLP as they were uncited. I don't think they were bad faith, but quotes like "I wanted to look like trash!" need to be sourced or could be construed as libel. If you can cite them, please revert me! GertrudeTheTramp 06:45, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Parton has spoken on several occassions about pointing out a beautiful woman that she wished to look like. Parton's mother called the beautiful woman "trash" and so Parton's famous response was "I want to look like trash!" - the only problem being finding an original and credible source. It was shown on the Biography channel but I can find no worded copy of the show dedicated to her, nor a copy from a valid non-fan based site.
This page is also missing perhaps the most quoted saying of Parton's:
“ “The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain!” ”
The above has been quoted in numerous programmes (such as The Office), books and (less importantly) even appears as an inspirational "saying of the day" in jounrals (mine being one of them). Could we include this somewhere in the article? SKC


[edit] In Section 10 Philanthropic efforts

I changed the upcoming hospital location to Sevierville, as this is where the hospital will actually be built. (I live in Sevier County and drive by the site just about every day).

[edit] Godmother?

In the Hannah Montana episode she was the godmother, but is it true she is in real life? --LifeloverElena 19:33, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

yes she is

Response: When this question first came about, I was hard pressed to locate published confirmation of this claim. However, I have added to the Wikipedia entry a link to the podcast of a radio interview she did with a Chicago station in November 2007 in which she confirmed on the air that she is, in fact, Miley Cyrus' godmother in real life and she calls her "Aunt Dolly" in real life as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.227.7.68 (talk) 05:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of songs Dolly Parton wrote

This is what I was looking for coming here and was very disappointed. Hope someone can update this soon! 202.89.159.244 10:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] plagiarism from allmusic.com

FYI, a good bit of the "Music Career" section is taken verbatim or almost verbatim from Allmusic.com: http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:wiftxql5ldde~T1

For example, from Allmusic:

By 1970, both Parton and Wagoner had grown frustrated by her lack of solo success, and Porter had her sing Jimmie Rodgers' "Mule Skinner Blues (Blue Yodel No. 8)," a gimmick that worked. The record shot to number three on the charts, followed closely by her first number one single, "Joshua."

from the article:

By 1970, both Parton and Wagoner had grown frustrated by her lack of solo success, and Porter had her sing Jimmie Rodgers' "Mule Skinner Blues," a gimmick that worked. The record shot to number three on the charts, followed closely by her first number one single, "Joshua." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dartmjb (talk • contribs) 14:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

To dolly my name is Jade i'm 9 years old my fav song of yours is Jolene well bye nice to talk to you


                   Love Jade  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.104.167 (talk) 10:32, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Copyvio

As given above, the whole music career section was verbatim from allmusic.com, it all came in in this and the following edits and was subsequently copyedited by dozens of user users. I took the liberty to cut out the whole section. --Janneman (talk) 00:58, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Specious Claim

"The association of breasts with Parton's public image is illustrated in the naming of Dolly the sheep after her, since the sheep was cloned from part of a mammary gland.[12]". This sentence is referenced, but in a misleading way. There is nothing in the reference provided to suggest that Dolly the sheep was named after Dolly Parton. The reference claims only that Dolly the sheep was cloned from "an udder cell". The author has offered an explanation for the sheep being named Dolly and is giving it respectability by sticking a reference near it!!!72.90.243.147 (talk) 19:14, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree absolutely. The stated reference made no mention of udder material being used for cloning or any other explanation of why the sheep was called Dolly. I have seached for other confirmations and can find none. I have deleted the statement from the entry and it should only be replaced if proper reference can be made. I suspect this is either vandalism or innocent urban legend. 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 20:50, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
To Mercury McKinnon
You have reverted my deletion of the 'Dolly the Sheep' statement. Did you read the justification for my deletion at Dolly Parton:Talk first? I did not delete the paragraph lightly and without due consideration. The quoted reference supporting the sheep assertion made no mention whatsoever about the sheep being named after Dolly Parton. I hunted the web extensively and could find not a single hint that substantiated the claim. In fact one newspaper article at the time stated that the scientist that led the experiment named Dolly the Sheep after a favourite Aunt of his. At the talk page I stated that the paragraph should not be replaced unless it could be supported by a valid and verifyable reference, yet you replaced it nevertheless. May I ask why and with what justification? 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 13:20, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi, 21stCenturyGreenstuff. I reverted your deletion for the reason I stated: there was no justification given in the Edit Summary. I did not look in the article Talk because you gave no indication to look there. Please make good use of the Edit Summary; it's a courtesy to other editors, particularly to those who have many articles in their watchlist.
As to your (and the previous anonymous person's) claim that the cited source made no mention that Dolly the sheep was named after Dolly Parton and thus was a false attribution -- you seem to have missed the following statement in the given source. "Dolly the cloned sheep, named after singer Dolly Parton, was born 10 years ago." It's in the article's accompanying photo caption.
I am reinstating the statement, again. If you doubt the veracity of the current source, it would be better to instead tag the statement "in need of a better citation". But don't delete the statement saying that it was not properly referenced. Thanks.
--Mercury McKinnon (talk) 03:53, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
LOL You were too late, it was already back and this time I had added a better and more suitable reference than the one you placed there, the BBC quote (currently Ref 25) actually states that DP was the influence for naming of the sheep 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 10:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Yup, I was too late to undo your pointless deletion. Your finding another source only underscores how much in the wrong you were. So much for your "I hunted the web extensively and could find not a single hint that substantiated the claim." and "I did not delete the paragraph lightly and without due consideration."  :-)
And, please don't make more mistaken assumptions -- I was not the one who placed the USAToday reference there. It was already there before I ever saw the Dolly Parton article. I also never implied that it was the best source, but rather said that it was a valid source contradicting your deletion (on the purported basis of "The quoted reference supporting the sheep assertion made no mention whatsoever about the sheep being named after Dolly Parton.")
I'd look, and look again, first if I were you lest you make similar unwarranted acts and statements that make you seem foolish.  :-)

--Mercury McKinnon (talk) 04:34, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

You are really quite a nasty, spiteful and vindictive piece of work aren't you? I am rather glad I don't know you personally. Have a nice day there 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 09:42, 17 April 2008 (UTC)