Talk:Dokka Umarov

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Contents 1 Surrender 2 kavkazcenter 3 sources, try Vachagayev? 4 Umarov surrounded 5 Umarov declared "Emirate", abandoned presidency 6 Caucasian Emirate article? 7 Cleaned up

[edit] Surrender

Allright we seem to be going through an edit war with regards to whether Doku surrendered or not. I'm changing the article to state that he was reported to have surrendered. Here is my citation:

http://ca.today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-08-18T110904Z_01_L18593319_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-RUSSIA-CHECHNYA-COL.XML

If you have any information that indicates this report is false (a statement by his organization, news agency, etc.) please post it.

Where's the rolleyes icon when it's needed? --HanzoHattori 13:58, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry I had the audacity to ask that you actually cite something that contradicted initial reports. Please forgive me.68.203.127.188 14:12, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it is his younger brother that surrendered Chechen rebels surrender Rune X2 23:32, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] kavkazcenter

I don’t think "kavkazcenter" serves as a valid source any more than various Jihadist underground internet sites would be accepted as sources on the 9/11 article.

In addition, you seem to be going for a deliberate biased POV presentation of the case, when you insist on using words like "claimed", "changed once again", "this time claiming". I have provided perfectly reasonable but less POV alternatives, which just as well convey the facts. Plese don't delete Rune X2 11:06, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

What's the alternative? Chechenpress isn't anymore. Or, wouldn't the man in question allowed to comment on "Doku/Unnamed/Akhmad Umarov's surrender" at all? The silly 9/11 conspiracy theories thing (they just cite some US author or something), even Wikipedia has these. But the important thing is he was abducted and dissapeared in 2005 already. And also, that they are creating confusion on purpose, as they are trying to make the Umarov's men surrender (in the process, they also confusing world media and ordinary people). --HanzoHattori 14:10, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

People shouldn't take Doku Umarov's words seriously.He's a dictator.

I agree KavkazCenter is hardly a reliable source, but as long as you don't forget to mention it when you've found your information there, I suppose it's ok to use their material. ForrestSjap 21:46, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] sources, try Vachagayev?

I agree kavkazcenter is grossly untrustworthy -- even by jihadist standards. Mairbek Vachagayev is in Paris. He used to represent the late Mashkadov. He might know something about Doku Umarov, but how honest he will be about it another question. You can probably reach Vachagayev via the Jamestown Foundation: http://www.jamestown.org/authors_details.php?author_id=237 142.179.124.67 01:57, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Umarov surrounded

Is that entry really important? We've heard countless stories about Chechen leaders being surrounded by Russian forces throughout the war and almost nothing ever comes from them. And this is what, the 15th time he's been wounded? The guy must be a walking mass of scar tissue by now. DarthJesus 02:06, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know yet. But it's true, when they kill a leader they usually do it in a sudden safehouse raid, or by chance. Kavkaz Center nowadays, between things like "Mossad Killed Hundreds Iraqi Intellectuals" and "Russian Police Is a Huge Gang of Sadists, Murderers, Rapists", would write only this - and they wonder the agencies won't quote them? --HanzoHattori 07:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Umarov declared "Emirate", abandoned presidency

http://www.chechenpress.co.uk/english/news/2007/10/31/05.shtml --HanzoHattori 15:37, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

This is a tragedy. ForrestSjap 19:03, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

We should probably write about the political crisis in Chechen Republic of Ichkeria. --HanzoHattori 15:13, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I think we should, but it is a very tricky situation. We'll have to choose our words carefully or maybe even wait a little untill more information is available. Did you read these?[1][2] ForrestSjap 21:27, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Caucasian Emirate article?

Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan and Islamic Emirate of Waziristan have their articles. --HanzoHattori (talk) 13:33, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

I think an article about the Caucasian Emirate should be created.ForrestSjap (talk) 16:10, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Kavkaz Center is their official news outlet, publishing decrees and what not. Also, it's quite funny how they publish other people's analyses on them, but the article is quite informative from NPOV. --HanzoHattori (talk) 13:40, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleaned up

And added the thing he is charged only with the publications on the Internet and not even formally wanted at all. --84.234.60.154 (talk) 09:50, 20 May 2008 (UTC)