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Dear Dogbert, I don't know if this is the proper way to respond a message, but, well, at least this way i'm sure you will eventually read it. First things firts, no apologies needed, i suppose we all should check a bit better the changes we make, but, hey, Be Bold! :) For instance, i, for sure, will be more careful before crying vandalism :). Ok i gues thats all. Please excuse any grammar/spelling error i could made, english is my second language and, to tell you the truth, my writing skills are a little rusty. User:Javier Arambel


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[edit] Der Ring des Nibelungen Recordings

Sorry. My mistake. --Alexs letterbox 07:52, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

  • No problem. Even Gods make mistakes...--Dogbertd 08:28, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
BTW, the discussion on trivia has been moved to the Opera Wikiproject.

[edit] Interview Request for Dogbertd

Hi Dogbertd, I am a radio producer in New York, we're doing a special series on Tristan und Isolde, and I was wondering i f I could email you a few questions about your Wikipedia contributions, and maybe chat on the phone. My name is Amy O'Leary and can be reached at amyoleary --at-- gmail dot com. Thank you! User:Meebs

[edit] Richard Wagner Wikiproject?

Greetings again from the Opera Project. In view of the length and completeness of the Wagner articles, I am wondering whether you and your fellow-editors would be interested in setting up a Richard Wagner Project as a daughter project of ours. This has already beeen done with some success by the WikiProject Gilbert and Sullivan. This would give your work more prominence, perhaps attract more contributors and give you some control over assessments etc. Anyway let me know if you have any interest in this. Best regards - Kleinzach 03:19, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Looking at the complexity and scope of the various articles on Wagner and his works, I think this is probably a very good idea. I created a category "Wagner Studies" to try to keep tabs on these various pages, but yours is, of course, a better way to manage this process. I'll have to look into what is required to make a Wikiproject or a daughter project (the latter seems to me the best idea). Regards, --Dogbertd 12:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Good. As far as I know there is no difference between a Wikiproject and a daughter project - they are all Wiiprojects. If you wanted to go ahead with it I would be happy to join and help to set it up - although I don't think I would be regular contributor. The Wagner (Richard Wagner?) Project could adopt the general style/editorial rules of the Opera Project to make things as simple as possible and allow you to concentrate on the editing. Do you think other people would join? It would be ideal to have at least a few active members. Best, -Kleinzach 13:17, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok, have made a bit of a stab at a Wikiproject page for Richard Wagner WikiProject Richard Wagner. Will begin to advertise it, as well.--Dogbertd 12:47, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
As you may have noticed, I have leapt in as your first recruit. Let me know when you've created the membership category. I'll see you on the project talk page. --Peter cohen 13:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Parsifal

I see you've started working on Parsifal again. You may have noticed my preliminary review at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Richard Wagner#Article assessment 3: testing. What did you think of my points? I'm going to be re-reviewing the article in a week and a half's time, as part of my working through all the Wagner material with the other two reviewers. (I'm doing one Wagner review a day and have completed operas nos 7-12, the Ring article and its two subsidiary articles to do first.) It would be nice to get Parsifal to A when I do re-assess it. If you need slightly more time and let me know, I can stop off at Wieland Wagner and some of the other articles on works first.

If you feel that you've not got all the sources needed to address my points, then, after I've finished the marking, I can join in and work with you. In the mid-term, I would like to see the project aiming to raise one article a month to GA, A or FA. What would you feel about such drives? With lower grades, one person can raise an article a grade or two on their own. (It didn't take me long to get Die Feen to B class.) Higher grades requires having access to a variety of sources and several hands makes this easier. I did get Troilus to GA on my own, but that required a lot of work and two tries as a candidate.--Peter cohen 15:29, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Peter, yes I've been off on holiday and otherwise busy, but today I got some time to make a few changes to Parsifal specifically to address your points, which I think are very good (I had completely missed, for instance, that the synopsis doesn't include any reference to Parsifal's suffering with Amfortas in Act 1 - doh!). I don't have access to Grove (but might invest in Millington's New Grove Wagner if I can persuade myself I need another book on RW) so any help you can offer would be very welcome. I'll try to get the bulk of it done within the next week or so, but in any case I think a reassessment would help, regardless of what state the article is in.--Dogbertd 18:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. I haven't got Grove either. Whilst I'm supposedly working on my PhD, I'm trying to control my non-work book spending. (My CD spending is a different matter - I have just convinced myself that a 14th Ring* would come in handy.) As I said elsewhere, the two books I have on Parsifal are Lucy Beckett's Cambridge Opera Handbook and the ENO Opera guide. I also have various opera programmes, although I'm having trouble remembering how many productions I've seen of it. The one I can remember clearly is the ENO/Goodall one where Parsifal was such a "Tor", that he was singing in the wrong language. (Siegfried Jerusalem was a late stand in.) I'll see what my sources cover when the time comes.
  • The Fürtwangler/Flagstad/Milan one to join Fürtwangler/RAI, Moralt, Krauss 53, Keilberth 53 (these two with the same cast apart from Mödl replacing Varnay), Knapertsbusch 56, Böhm, Karajan, Barenboim, Levine, Sawallisch, Janowski, Neuhold and the Naxos Met stitch up under Bodanzky and Leinsdorf.--Peter cohen 22:49, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
I sympathise: I spent far too much of my PhD time playing computer games when I should have been writing up. And your Ring collection is certainly not complete without the Furt/La Scala Ring - now available quite cheaply in several remastered versions (I have the Gebhardt, AFAIK). Walkure is particularly good. I'm waiting for a decent cheap version of the Rome radio Ring before I (re)invest in that one. Anyway back to Parsifal: re-reading the article last nightI agree that it still needs rather a lot of work. It is seriously under-referenced for a start, and I'll try to address that pronto. I agree that the discussion of the music is - well, it's non-existant, which must also be fixed. I also wonder if the synopsis shouldn't be placed after the composition section. At the moment it's below the section on performances, which to me seems somehow wrong.--Dogbertd 07:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I have this rule with Rings, that if they're going for less than £50, then they must be bargains and therefore worth getting. ArkivMusis are having an opera sale, so I've ordered it for $66, together with Furst Igor (no 2 it's in German, the other isn't), Boris no 3, and Parsifal no5 (live Karajan joining Solti, Gui and Knappertsbusch twice)
On the substantive point, I would follow the order recommended over at WP:WPOi.e. composition above both perfomances and synopsis. More detailed analysis and criticism after sunopsis.--Peter cohen 14:32, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Leubald

Although Wagner recalled this fragment in 'Mein Leben' as 'Leubald und Adelaide', every source I have consulted (including Grove, which cites the 16-vol 'Saemtliche Schriften', Millington's 'Wagner Compendium', and WWV itself) give it as just 'Leubald'. In ML Wagner states that the manuscript was lost and he presumably wasn't therefore able to check the title. It appears the manuscript must have resurfaced - I don't myself know where it is. The balance of authorities would therefore seem to be with the shorter title. It wouldn't of course be the only inaccuracy in ML! --Smerus 18:05, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, it's a tricky one, then. I've got Millington's "Wagner compendium" which has it as leubald, as does Gutman, but I also have Gregor-Dellin, Mein Leben and Cosima's Diaries which all refer to it as Lebald und Adelaide. I confess I thought that if Wagner himself called it L&A I would go with that.--Dogbertd 11:23, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
OK, I've split the difference. In the body of the article it now appears as Leubald, but in the reference I've mentioned that it might also be found as L&A. Hope this is better.--Dogbertd 11:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
fair enough by me! --Smerus 16:28, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mein Leben

You are entirely correct. I was reverting an edit which changed the date to 1880, which I knew was totally wrong, and even though I thought 1850 sounded wrong, I just took it for granted (oops) that it was correct. Alexs letterbox 21:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)