User talk:Doc Chopper

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A tag has been placed on Doc's Choppers, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article seems to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in Wikipedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert notability may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is notable, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page (below the existing db tag) and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Terrx 04:21, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Doc's Choppers

Please do not resubmit speedily deleted material. This is considered vandalism and can lead to you being blocked from editing for a period of time. (aeropagitica) 08:07, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


Only attempted to make quick revisions before reading the tag. No violation intended. Have removed internal link to said article from other references.

Thank You, Doc

[edit] Regarding edits to Doc Chopper

Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia, DocChopper! However, your edit here was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to remove spam from Wikipedia. If you were trying to insert a good link, please accept my creator's apologies, but note that the link you added, matching rule \.photobucket\.com\/, is on my list of links to remove and probably shouldn't be included in Wikipedia. Please read Wikipedia's external links policy for more information. If the link was to an image, please read Wikipedia's image tutorial on how to use a more appropriate method to insert the image into an article. If your link was intended to promote a site you own, are affiliated with, or will make money from inclusion in Wikipedia, please note that inserting spam into Wikipedia is against policy. For more information about me, see my FAQ page. Thanks! Shadowbot 03:02, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


[edit] AfD Nomination: Doc Chopper

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, but all Wikipedia articles must meet our criteria for inclusion (see What Wikipedia is not and Deletion policy). Since it does not seem to me that Doc Chopper meets these criteria, I have started a discussion about whether this article should be kept or deleted.

Your opinion on whether this article meets the inclusion criteria is welcome. Please contribute to the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Doc Chopper. Don't forget to add four tildes (~~~~) at the end of each of your comments to sign them.

Discussions such as these usually last five days. In the meantime, you are free to edit the content of the article. Please do not remove the "articles for deletion" template (the box at the top). When the discussion has concluded, an administrator will consider all comments and decide whether or not to delete the article. -- Siobhan Hansa 18:38, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi Doc. I noticed you left a comment on the Doc Chopper talk page. While there's nothing at all wrong with using the talk page, you should probably also take part in the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Doc Chopper. People do best when they keep their comments brief and to the point. Providing newspaper references could go a long way to demonstrating notability, and the faster you can do this, the more likely it is that the article will stay. In general we look for multiple, non-trivial mentions in significant publications (National papers, specialist magazines etc.). Articles that are passing mentions or appear to be promotional are generally not acceptable. You do not have to have an online link to the article to use it - provide proper citations (publication name, article title, date, author -if named-, and page numbers) and people can look them up in libraries.
You might also take a look at our conflict of interest guideline since you appear to be breaching it and this will impact people's perception of your editing. If you need help leave me a message at the bottom of my talk page. -- Siobhan Hansa 20:33, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
If you want to dispute the proposed deletion of Doc Chopper, you should add your comments to the AfD debate. Adding the {{hangon}} tag to the article doesn't do anything. I have removed the hangon tag again as it isn't appropriate in this situation. Best, Gwernol 20:29, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Art vehicles

A tag has been placed on Art vehicles, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you plan to expand the article, you can request that administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material. To do this, affix the template {{hangon}} to the page and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Pan Dan 20:01, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External links

Hi doc. I appreciate you are trying to provide information on a subject that is not well covered here. But the links and some of the content you have been adding to articles are not appropriate for our encyclopedia. Promoting individual bike shops, especially with external links is considered spamming, and such links fail our external links guidelines. Links to forums and noticeboards are also inappropriate. In general content and links should encyclopedic in nature, providing a critical look at the history, influences and impact of a subject. We are not a portal or promotional platform.

I hope you are not discouraged by the reverts your recent edits have suffered. Your experience in the custom chopper bicycle design world could be a great boon to Wikipedia, and I encourage you to continue to edit. Check out our welcome page for a little more on how to contribute effectively and feel free to ask questions at the bottom of my talk page, or type {{Helpme}} along with a question here and an experienced editor will be along shortly to try and help you. -- Siobhan Hansa 02:37, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

By the way - the Sun Sentinel link was deleted because it wasn't working. If you can find a stable link it may be appropriate. -- Siobhan Hansa 02:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Message on my talk page

Hi doc. I'm just signing off so will reply in more depth tomorrow. Because of the nature of Wikipedia not all articles are scrutinized as thoroughly as others. So it's likely you will have found several articles that make it seem like your style is fine, when the reality is other editors just haven't got to them yet. Look at some of our good articles to see what we're really aiming for.

In general, Wikipedia is considered a tertiary source, that is - we publish a summary of things that have already been printed by good secondary sources. so we really need newspaper articles, books (it seems like a very visually impactfull medium, are there any photobooks of the bikes?) printed magazines etc. in order to develop an article. This is what we're talking about when we say "notable". I'll add more tomorrow. -- Siobhan Hansa 03:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi doc. To answer your questions-
1. User:Doc Chopper hasn't already been taken, so the best thing to do is to create a new account under that user name, move (see the tab at the top that says move) and then [[WP:Redirect|redirect] this talk page and your current user page to User talk:Doc Chopper and User:Doc Chopper. There is a way for bureaucrats to actually change your account, but it's generally only used when the above is insufficient for some reason. If you need help with the move and redirect let me know when you've created the other account - anyone can do this for you.
2. For referencing the magazine I suggest using our {{Cite journal}} template. Mainly because they have the fields you need to fill in written into them so it's easy to remember. On the the article write whatever the magazine article is going to back up, then put in an open reference tag, the completed cite template and a close reference tag. It should end up looking something like this:
<ref>{{cite journal | last = You Need | first = The Author's Name | date = January/February 2007 | title = You need the title of the article | journal = Strutter Magazine | volume = 1| issue = 1| pages = You should have the page numbers the article is on (e.g pp 15-17)}}</ref>
Note: You really need the author's name if the article has a byline, and you need the title of the article. the page numbers would be good. If you have information for any of the other fields put those in too. I choose the cite journal template because it seemed most appropriate to a magazine, but there are a whole range of different ones at Wikipedia:Citation templates. And this isn't the only way to cite, you can read more at WP:CITE.
After putting this in you'll also need to put a reference section into the article where the reference will show up as a footnote. To do this, below the main body of the article, but before any categories or external links sections put in:
== References ==
<References/>
In the end the article should look like:
Lots of interesting stuff about Doc Chopper.[1] Lots more stuff about Doc Chopper......

[edit] References

  1. ^ You Need, The Author's Name (January/February 2007). "You need the title of the article". Strutter Magazine 1 (1): You should have the page numbers the article is on (e.g pp15-17). 


(Except I put the header in an extra level to keep this whole section together). If you have any trouble making it work, let me or another editor know and we can help you with it.
-- Siobhan Hansa 16:14, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect from Doc Chopper article

Doc,I've undone the redirect you placed on the Doc Chopper article. We don't allow articles to be redirected to another wikipedia "space" (The site is split into different "spaces" that reflect their functions - Article space is where all the articles sit, User space is where all the user accounts sit, Wikipedia (or WP) space is where the administrative pages site etc. Redirecting across different namespaces is not allowed because people will think they are going to an rticle when they're actually being sent to a user page). Just FYI. -- Siobhan Hansa 09:41, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Username

Hello, I noticed you've moved your user page and user talk page from "DocChopper" to "Doc Chopper". If you want to change your username, you should instead post a request at Wikipedia:Changing username, that way all your contributions will show up as "Doc Chopper" as well. jwillburtalk 15:53, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


[edit] You Tube link

Hi Doc. You can't actually use the link. The TV program is copyrighted and the You Tube version is a clear breach of copyright which our policy forbids us from doing. But you can reference the TV program - You need to provide at least the name of the show, the channel it was on and the date/time it was broadcast. If you know more details, like the segment, the production company, the epsode/volume number of the program, those are good too. You'd probably type something like:

Doc and his bikes have been featured on various television shows including Miami Ink and Deco Drive.<ref>Decco Drive, first broadcast [[March 12th]] [[2007]], 12:30 pm, KTEH.<ref>

You might like to mention (sneakily!) on the talk page that there is a copy on YouTube but you know we can't link to it. I notice you haven't put up the reference to the magazine coverage. Are you having difficulty with that? Once you've got these in the article you should also add a comment to the deletion discussion that there is now more backup for notability and asking people to reconsider. -- Siobhan Hansa 14:09, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

what if the u-tube version was posted by the girl who did the interview and works for the show ? Doc Chopper 23:11, 12 April 2007 (UTC)