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His birthdate is referenced as November 18, 1930. While I do see annotations for November and 1930, where did the '18' appear?

Contents 1 List of Comics 2 Marriage to Clea 3 Ultimate Doctor Strange and Other Doctor Strange 4 Article on Strange: Beginnings and Endings 5 1978 movie 6 Character controversy 7 Template, non-NPOV 8 Powers and abilities 8.1 David Goyer note 9 Incivility 10 Watoomb 11 Civil War Status 12 Since when is Doctor Strange immortal? 13 Doctor Strange in New Avengers 14 David Goyer note 15 Location of Sanctum Sanctorum 16 Defenders and Nightstalkers 17 "Composed" versus "comprised" 18 Stan Lee disowns? 19 Bad idea, good cover 20 Eternity 21 World War Hulk 22 Fair use rationale for Image:ST146.jpg 23 SHB Image 24 Fair use rationale for Image:TalesOfSuspense41.jpg 25 Sorcerous phrases 26 Fair use rationale for Image:DeodatoDrStrange.jpg 27 Re: Guardians of the Galaxy 28 External links

[edit] List of Comics

I'm really confused, after reading the list of Dr. Strange Comics on the main page. I am holding in my hand Strange Tales #184 from March 1976. Where does that fit into things? (JNS)

JNS -- Your issue is a reprint issue. Strange Tales #182 - 188 reprinted stories from earlier issues of Strange Tales featuring Doctor Strange. Your particular issue, Strange Tales #184, reprints the Doctor Strange story from Strange Tales #132 and the Doctor Strange story (minus one of the original pages) from Strange Tales #133.75.80.67.22 04:22, 16 September 2006 (UTC)(AAO)

A separate issue. According to this list there is a 1992 Doctor Strange Special. I've searched for it but have yet to see anyone else definitively having it. I believe the listing for "Doctor Strange: Sorcerer Supreme Special (1992)" in series and mini-series subsection is the same as the "Doctor Strange & Ghost Rider Special #1 (April 1991; reprints only)" from the one-shots and graphic novels section. If i am mistaken, could someone with more exact knowledge provide more background info on that 1992 Special. I believe it is likely, that based upon its listing here, this 1992 Special has made its way to a few fansites, none of which give any further detail on the issue in question than has been given here. 75.80.67.22 04:22, 16 September 2006 (UTC)(AAO)

I know that it has been almost a year, but for your elucidation, The Grand Comics Database lists this as a simple annual tying into the regular Strange series of the time. They say it is a #2, but also that it is the first of three such issues. Furthermore, they have it as Part 4 of an Annuals cross-over event, "The Return of the Defenders." The main story was written by Roy Thomas and drawn by E. R. Cruz & Kevin Tinsley. Ted Watson 21:05, 24 August 2007 (UTC) My mistake, as what I described is also listed. My apologies. Thus, GCD has no such Dr. Strange special listed. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist, as they don't list Malibu's 6-issue Bruce Lee miniseries of the mid-90s, and didn't list two of NOW's early '90s Green Hornet minis until I signed up there about two years ago. Ted Watson 19:37, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Marriage to Clea

Dr. Strange and Clea exchanged mystic rings in a special ceremony once. Clea has since referred to this as a type of marriage (most notably in The Order mini-series). So it is okay to say they are married (even if their idea of marriage is a bit non-traditional). I see no reason to change her status from "Wife" to "Lover" when they consider themselves married (after a fashion).Rabidwolfe 00:50, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Addition to the above. Besides the references in The Order, and the 1990s Comic series, Marvel's website says Clea is "wife, estranged" http://www.marvel.com/universe/Doctor_Strange_(Stephen_Strange) So do the Marvel Encyclopedias, Handbooks, and other reference works published by Marvel. Rabidwolfe 01:34, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone know if Dr. Strange The Oath miniseries is considered canon? The last frame shows him kissing the Night Nurse, so either he and Clea are estranged or they have a more open relationship (given that these are immortals operating on a cosmic scale, I vote the latter). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rkilarski (talk • contribs) 15:16, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ultimate Doctor Strange and Other Doctor Strange

• Other Doctor Strange: http://www.trulyunusual.com/wards/showthread.php?t=3030
• In the Ultimate Marvel is the son of this Ultimate Doctor Strange.
• The Marvel 2099.
• In the 1602 miniseries.

--Brown Shoes22 17:25, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

I've never read anything with Ultimate Doctor Strange, but his summation in this entry makes less than no sense. --Signing unsigned comment by 12.215.224.101Talk 23:12, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Article on Strange: Beginnings and Endings

Strange: Beginnings and Endings Add info or Article would is a good idea ?--Brown Shoes22 03:34, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 1978 movie

What happened to the 1978 movie?

Which actors were in it, and who directed it?

[edit] Character controversy

I'm completely agree and all, but POV much? Kusonaga 18:40, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template, non-NPOV

Elsewhere in the ComicsProject, such subjective lists of stories have been rejected as non-NPOV.

This section says, for example, "Some consider Ditko, Englehart, and Stern the three writers to have mastered Dr. Strange." Aside from there being no citation, it shard to imagine that scripter and co-creator Stan Lee would be left out, for example. What is the criteria for inclusion here? Are these stories award-winners? Did they cause a spike in sales, as per the annual published circulatoin statement of industry-press reportage? Is there citable or linkable concensus? Right now it appears to be a list of one or two editors' personal favorites.

Other non-Wikistyle elements include temporal terms as as "recent"; uncited and contradictory statements ("Some fans consider this one of the best recent Dr. Strange stories. Others consider the plot rather standard"), non-encyclopedic language ("save his mother from Mephisto's clutches in Hell!", etc.)

It also confuses what it's about. A list of significant stories would list the story/arc title and where the story appeared. This is not a list of significant stories, but a list of significant publications, including reprint book-collections.

In any event, this is a problematic section that per Wikistandards needs to be deleted or heavily modified for style and objectivity. — Tenebrae 15:24, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Since it's been nearly two weeks without input either way, I'm taking the information under "Significant stories" and blending it within "Character history" in order that any signifiance be placed within a context. I'm culling items for which the "Signif Stories" section gave contradictory (and uncited) statements such as "Some fans consider this one of the best recent Dr. Strange stories. Others consider the plot rather standard". — Tenebrae 15:40, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Powers and abilities

I've tried to edit for clarity for clarity (notably, it was unclear what the pronouns were referring to). Should it be placed under "Universal sources", or does it apply to the rest of these sections? Also the final sentence in this graf is so unclear, I've commented-it out on the article page (and have put it in ital here simply to indicate which sentence I mean) with my questions following it:

The canon suggests that virtually every human is capable of learning and harnessing magic — considered simply a form of energy in the Marvel universe — through training; however each person has a different potential. The Ancient One saw in Stephen an incredible potential, quite likely the greatest on Earth. This has been confirmed by various events such as in "Unthinkable" where Doctor Doom had dedicated himself to magic, but was still only a mid-level mage compared to Stephen. QUESTIONS: When and in what comics was "Unthinkable"? Was it a single story or a story arc? What happened that confirmed whatever -- did Doom admit it, or did someone else say it, or what?

-- Tenebrae 14:13, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

"Unthinkable" was an arc in the Fantastic Four comic, where Doctor Doom makes a pact with some demons to boost his magic skills so he can beat Reed Richards. The Fantastic Four gets their butts kicked, but Dr. Strange manages to help the FF out. Rabidwolfe 22:07, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks -- Tenebrae 15:41, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] David Goyer note

In an article for Comics Scene, David Goyer noted that he wrote a screenplay for Doctor Strange in the 1990's. He noted that he wanted to follow the origin storyline-a selfish, acquisitive man gets redeemed when going to Tibet and studying under a mystic. Then The Shadow came out in 1994 which features a similar origin. While The Shadow has since been largely forgotten, Batman Begins also featured a somewhat similar origin (although Waye was self-absorbed, he was not really acquisitive)

Note that the film Doctor Mordrid was obviously based on Doctor Strange.

01:15, 28 May 2006 (UTC)~Enda80

[edit] Incivility

User:Rorschach567's incivility in calling any fellow editor, let alone someone as conscientious and dedicated as User:CovenantD, "a moron" is reprenensible behavior. I urge Rorschach567, with whom I have had a good-faith dealing, to please temper his tone; it just isn't necessary when there are so many other ways in the wonderfully elastic English language in which to make a point.

Also, WikiProject Comics style is to use the "fictional character" phrasing in intros, for consistency and other reasons. -- Tenebrae 13:39, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Quote for the above, per Wikipedia:WikiProject_Comics/exemplars#Comic_book_characters:

The opening sentence is currently formatted as "{Name of character} ({birth name}) is a fictional (character/superhero/supervillain) in the [[Example Comics]] [[Example Universe]]. Created by {creator(s)}, he/she/they first appeared in {Name of series} #{issue number} ({year})."

-- Tenebrae 15:02, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Watoomb

One of his exclamations currently reads "By the Wondrous Winds of Watoomb!" I'll look this up, but does anyone know offhand whether this isn't supposed to be the Wand of Watoomb? -- Tenebrae 13:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Both are correct. "Watoomb" is the God of winds, his winds are used as either a supernatural transportation device or an attack. The Wand of Watoomb is a talisman that is used by lesser mages in which to gain access to Watoomb's power over wind. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 166.82.148.21 (talk • contribs) .

Thanks! --Tenebrae 15:45, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Civil War Status

Unlike every other superhero, the government apparently wanted to seek a compromise with Dr Strange concerning the SRA rather than just saying "if you don't sign up, you're on the wanted list", as seen in Civil War #1 (Reed Richards tells Dr Strange this). Should that be noted in the small entry he has on his page? Sera404 02:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Since when is Doctor Strange immortal?

The character box lists him as immortal. When did this happen and why isn't it listed under powers? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Seekquaze (talk • contribs) 07:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC).

It isn't exactly a power, and immortality isn't quite right. A better description would be "ageless". While I do not have the specific issue numbers at hand, it happened near the back end of aconfrontation with the character Silver Dagger (comics) during the Steve Englehart and Frank Brunner era. In spite of his agelessness, it is still possible for him to die of unnatural causes. -- GJD 17:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Per the article, if this helps:

After taking his lover Clea as his disciple (Marvel Premiere #12, Nov. 1973), one of his first tasks as Sorcerer Supreme is to confront Death. After proving himself worthy, Strange is granted the immortality befitting his new role. As Sorcerer Supreme, Dr. Strange is near ageless and immune to dying from natural causes. His predecessor, the Ancient One, had lived for over five centuries.

--Tenebrae 18:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

        This takes place in Doctor Strange Vol 2 #4. 
        Gethe 06:40, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Doctor Strange in New Avengers

doctor strange is schdualed to be a NEW AVENGER after the civil war (new anvengers #27...)

a proof can be found here:

[1] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.0.45.203 (talk) 12:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC).

Dr. Strange has now officially appeared as a New Avenger, I move that we should add his membership to the team on his current affiliations CapoCastillo 17:19, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] David Goyer note

In an article for Comics Scene, David Goyer noted that he wrote a screenplay for Doctor Strange in the 1990's. He noted that he wanted to follow the origin storyline-a selfish, acquisitive man gets redeemed when going to Tibet and studying under a mystic. Then The Shadow came out in 1994 which features a similar origin. While The Shadow has since been largely forgotten, Batman Begins also featured a somewhat similar origin (although Wayne was self-absorbed, he was not really acquisitive). Goyer stated this in Comics Scene #49.

Goyer's screenplay would have included Doctor Strange working with a female police profiler to investigate some crimes-in retrospect this could indicate the influence of Doctor Mordrid.

Enda80 12:54, 28 January 2007 (UTC)Enda80

[edit] Location of Sanctum Sanctorum

It wasn't near 177A Bleecker Street, it is 177A Bleecker Street, as Strange received a telegram addressed to "Steven Saunders" showing that address -- the cosmic being Eternity had altered collective human memory to give him a secret identity. I don't have the specific comic to cite it, but perhaps another editor could do so?

As far as the apartment building in this universe is concerned, the front door, including the address number, was shown in a television documentary, on either the A&E channel or the History channel as I recall, and while I don't remember which writer it was with certainty, I'm fairly sure it was not Roy Thomas. -- Davidkevin 19:09, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

The address on the telegram may have been from an issue of vol. 1 of The Defenders during the "Steven Saunders" period, but I also recall a Defenders storyline in which the building appeared to change addresses to confuse antagonists who were looking for it. I didn't write the passage you're disputing, but the Defenders story may have prompted the original writer to add the "near" adjective. 71.204.204.249 14:00, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Roy Thomas said in an interview -- God knows where, I'd have to find it -- that it was the address where he and Bill Everett were roommates for a time, with the "A" added. Time to hit Alter Ego and try to look it up! --Tenebrae 14:13, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Defenders and Nightstalkers

When fighting the undying ones, Dr. Strange manipulates the Hulk and Namor to assist him in defeating them. When Baron Mordo returns the identity of Stephen Strange to Dr. Strange, Dr. Strange again recruits the Hulk and Namor and were soon joined by the Silver Surfer to form the Defenders. Also during this time Doctor Strange gathers the anti-heroes the Hulk, Namor the Sub-Mariner and the Silver Surfer to form the sporadically summoned superhero "non-team", the Defenders.

That last sentence just repeats the sentence before it ilovemrdoe 14:54, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Composed" versus "comprised"

In the first paragraph of the section of this article entitled "Powers and abilities," a clause identifying the members of "'the Vishanti,' a trinity of godly beings" has been going back and forth between saying it is "composed of" and "comprised of" its three members. According to English usage experts (James J. Kilpatrick has been particularly insistent about this in his syndicated newspaper column "The Writer's Art" [2]), the proper use of "to comprise" would be to say "'the Vishanti' comprises..." the three beings. Logically this is absurd, as it puts the onus of action on the whole, which does nothing, while the reality of the situation is that the parts come together to form the whole. Therefore, my feeling has been that the best option is to avoid the use of the verb "to comprise" entirely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbrittreid (talk • contribs) 19:30, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

I didn't sign? Very sorry (unless it was actually a system glitch and not my fault, but that's not my assumption)! Ted Watson 19:45, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stan Lee disowns?

This doesnt mkae any sense to me. I watched the film and it wasnt bad at all. I remember they had little snipits of Stan lee talking about the character during the commercial brake. Now why would he do that if he thought the movie was "cammpy"?-DiablosInfernal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.252.150.194 (talk) 21:21, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bad idea, good cover

Ought there to be a mention of the notorious Amy Grant issue? I knew about that before I knew almost anything else about Strange. Asat 07:30, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eternity

The article claims that Eternity's first appearance is Strange Tales 146, but it's actually 138 (I'm holding it in my hands!). Changing it would involve rewriting the entire paragraph, though, and I don't feel qualified to do that. Anyone? 208.66.211.217 18:48, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I'll give it a tackle.--Tenebrae 19:10, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

This was still incorrect, so I took a swing at it. I added a paragraph on characters introduced by Ditko in order to rescue some of the nice verbiage about the significance of the Eternity character from the misinfo regarding that debut occurring in Ditko's last issue. 75.73.21.101 23:42, 12 November 2007 (UTC) Sergei Alderman

[edit] World War Hulk

Defending my edits - In World War Hulk #3, Strange enters Hulk's mind. The discussion with Banner AND the hand crushing are all "in mind events." Just in case there was any confusion, Strange says to Hulk "This is the inside of YOUR mind." The hand crushing "crossed over" into the physical world, but it was done inside the Hulk's mind. The summary before made it sound like Strange got the Hulk to revert back to Banner in the real world. Rabidwolfe 00:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] SHB Image

While the new image more closely adheres to the guidelines, with its clearer frontal view minus obscuring background and other artifacts, it would have been better for the editor who inserted it to have made of a note of just that, on this talk page. Just a matter of collaborative communication. Thanks.--Tenebrae (talk) 16:51, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Sorcerous phrases

I am moving this info from the main page. As another editor pointed out, it is not particularly encylopedic. Still, I'm preserving it here on the talk page for posterity. :)

Co-creator and longtime original scripter Stan Lee wrote many alliterative exclamations and incantations that Dr. Strange would utter. Lee and later writers often created characters and storylines based on these casually created phrases:

• "By the Flames of the Faltine!"
• "By the Sons of Satannish!"
• "By the Hoary Hosts of Hoggoth!"
• "By the Hoary Hand of Hoggoth!"
• "By the Ruby Rings of Raggadorr!"
• "By the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak!"
• "By the Deathless Vishanti!"
• "By the Vapors of the Vishanti!"
• "By the Eye of Agamotto!"
• "By the Vapors [also: Vipers] of Valtorr!"
• "By the Images of Ikonn!"
• "By the Demons of Denak!"
• "By the Fangs of Farallah!"
• "By the Mystic Moons of Munnopor!"
• "By the Shades of the Seraphim!"
• "By the Serpents of the Seraphim!"
• "By the Omnipotent Oshtur!"
• "By the fires of Ikthalon!"
• "By the Wondrous Winds [also: Wand] of Watoomb!"

204.153.84.10 (talk) 16:35, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I would only say that if it's worth preserving for posterity, then it belongs in the article. Given that these are such an integral part of the character, and given the insight into the creative process that the opening two sentences give, one can make an argument for ... well, as you say, posterity. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:22, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I second Tenebrae's motion. Ted Watson (talk) 20:30, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't mind personally, but it was User:Pairadox who raised the issue - I do agree with him on this one, that it doesn't contribute much to the article, but I won't oppose anyone reverting my last change. 204.153.84.10 (talk) 16:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Same thing with similar situation at Beast (comics). 204.153.84.10 (talk) 15:24, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I added the tag after seeing yet another phrase tacked onto the end with no context or reference. A list of random phrases that writers have used isn't really much more than random trivia. Since the justification for having them included is "Lee and later writers often created characters and storylines based on these casually created phrases," then show some of those cases. Put them in the perspective of the larger picture. Pairadox (talk) 05:07, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Re: Guardians of the Galaxy

I have just edited text under the section Doctor Strange as deus ex machina describing an encounter between Strange and the Guardians of the Galaxy. I have added the missing issue numbers for that encounter, and have also tried to clear up some confusion. This is the text before I edited it, with the confusing passages in bold:

"In Guardians of the Galaxy ^{[issue # needed]}, Dr. Strange brought Vance Astro back to the 20th Century where Charlie-27 was about to be murdered by a Badoon Captain named L'Matto. The long-standing battle, which was appearing to be in L'Matto's favor, suddenly went in Vance and Charlie's favor when Aleta Ogord became the new Starhawk. With Dr. Strange's help, she defeated the Captain Universe-empowered L'Matto and then exorcised the Uni-Power from L'Matto's body and returned with it to the 20th Century; there, they parted ways with Strange, who returned to his studies, while the Uni-Power headed off to find a new host."

If Strange brought Astro to the duel, which was in the 20th century, then how could they return from the duel to the 20th century, when they were already there? In truth, Strange did bring Astro to the duel, but he and the other Guardians were already in the 20th century, having travelled there from the 31st century alternate timeline they call home. They arrived in Guardians of the Galaxy #27, spent issues 27-29 marginally involved in the Infinity War, and then moved into the events described above, where Astro split off from the other Guardians and then reunited with them with Dr. Strange's help. I've edited the text accordingly. -- Pennyforth (talk) 06:21, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] External links

To explain my rv of 5 March 2008 User:Tbrittreid: "External links" are for "for further reading" links only, and not for sources directly used as article references, such as, for example, the Grand Comics Database and the The Unofficial Handbook of Marvel Comics Creators, which confirm basics such as titles, credits, cover dates, etc. Those go under "References," which is a separate section when the subhead "Footnotes" is used. Also please not: "Sources" is not a standard Wikipedia subhead at WP:CITE. Thanks for allowing me to explain my revision. --Tenebrae (talk) 05:50, 6 March 2008 (UTC)