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[edit] Images on Cube News 1

Hi Dmelliott I've tagged the following images. I'm concerned that while they are tagged CC by-sa 3.0 and have a comment "Used by permission", there is no source to say where this licensing is or who gave permission. I don't think permission came through OTRS but let me know if this was arranged. I checked the copyright tags in this podcast and it states All rights reserved so I just don't think this is licensed under CC. --Breno talk 02:14, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Some of this is newbie incompetence, i.e. I did not know what the question was about or how to answer it. Yes, all her content is copy-written, she says, but I have permission from Kim Waldauer in the form of an E-Mail. In fact, I requested larger versions of the pictures for editing, which she sent me, so I did not download them from anywhere.
I still can not find a standard description (tag) that says "Used by permission. Copywritten by Kim Waldauer, all rights reserved." How do I communicate this permission to Wikipedia so it feels comfortable about this? Can I have Miss Waldauer send you permission? dmelliott 02:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
(Other discussion about this on my talk page). Hi dmelliott, thought I'd reply over here on your talk page, as mine gets a little busy sometimes. Did you get a chance to forward that permission email over to OTRS? --Breno talk 12:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Dear Breno: It has been there for quite a while (or the transmission bombed). I sent it in as soon as I saw that you had told me where I could put it (or something like that) dmelliott 07:49, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


Dear Breno: How is this going? Am I being impatient, or is some thing wrong? dmelliott 12:16, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Ditto Today dmelliott 22:33, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Your recent edits

Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. On many keyboards, the tilde is entered by holding the Shift key, and pressing the key with the tilde pictured. You may also click on the signature button Image:Signature_icon.png located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! --SineBot (talk) 19:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I noticed with your signature it doesn't link to your user or talk page. It helps if you have this as people can quickly post you messages or find a little more about you. If you want a simple link in your signature, go into My Preferences and under the Signatures section un-check Raw signature. This will turn your name in your sig into a clickable link. If you'd like something a bit more fancy like mine, leave Raw signature checked and paste the following into your Signature:
[[User:Dmelliott|dmelliott]] <sup>[[User talk:Dmelliott|dmelliott]]</sup>
Either way you will need to bypass your browser cache for the new signature to work. And it doesn't go back and update your old signatures either. Still, hope this helps. --Breno talk 12:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Podcasting

Thanks for your input on the talk page. Just wanted to say thanks for your contributions to the project lately, as well as your work on podcast articles such as Cube News 1. Ever since I posted those messages here to your talk page (which was not very long ago at all) I can see you're improving your wiki-skills, such as indents and signing on talk pages, as well as learning the process of image license issues.

I also took the liberty (I hope you don't mind!) and put the standard {{userpage}} {{usertalkpage}} templates on your pages. As those image messages take up heaps of space on your talk I also set up an archive page to get you started. Hope this helps.

If you have any other questions I can help with hit me up. Cheers. --Breno talk 12:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Some of these I don't care about (they make no visible change), some I don't understand, and some I disagree with (including some other unmentioned edits, some of which were wrong) and I have changed.
In the un-understood category where are the nowiki user* items, why, and what are they for?
Also, why was a large archive page containing nothing but talk about how to archive added to save space? What kind / how much should be archived?
In the disagree category, for some reason there were content as well as cosmetic edits in the Infobox. First, she was not cited as YouTube Comedi ..., there were seven. She was cited as A YouTube Comedi ...
Second, for some reason the RSS link was amended by the addition of the word "video" and the deletion of the word "Medium". It has not been done this way for a number of years as a visit to any of the more popular sites such as Diggnation or Geekbrief will show. In fact, it is "audio" that is now added where necessary. On just a common sense level, there are almost no pure audio Quicktimes, I have never heard of an audio designated as "Medium", and there is no such thing as a 480x360 audio. The users are just not that naive. I have seen this credibility reducing practice elsewhere in Wikipedia.
Third, while I, and apparently you, like "bi-weekly" it is not the preferred. Wikipedia itself redirects to "biweekly" and the hyphenated form is not even in the Cambridge dictionary.
Fourth, in the reedit of the debut date, the comma was left out.
Fifth, the "Length" statement was edited to use the one character symbol "-" instead of the two character word "to" and the word minutes was, incorrectly, abbreviated. The rule we all learned in school is to never abbreviate when there is no need, as here.
The deletion of the picture attribution is very welcome as it was a bad idea and really really ugly.
Thanks again: dmelliott 09:45, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Dear Breno: How is this going? Am I being impatient, or is some thing wrong? dmelliott 22:33, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Infobox podcastv

Hi. Is this template meant to supersede Template:Infobox podcast, complement it (a specific kind of podcast; is that what the "v" indicates?) or is it a fork (gulp)? Thanks for explaining, Sardanaphalus (talk) 17:23, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Dear Sardanaphalus,
The podcastv was created to list the things that are currently of interest to both podcasters and viewers. Some items such as format are no longer of interest since the players are all free and well known, and such is far from a constant on many feeds. Other things were added, since due homage should be paid to the behind the scenes personnel that may actually be putting in more time in on it than the host. The "v" is there because the name without it was already taken.
If you look elsewhere, you will find other attempts to use a more appropriate Infobox than the "podcast" one. Several of these are hackups of the movie one, which is quite appropriate in intent since these are minimovies. However the movie one is too big to start with and is missing some things for podcasting. The result is not concise or particularly attractive.
There is no question that this is a complete ripoff, and appropriate credit is given. Basically it is just an update. If someone wants it to supersede something else, that is their choice, but you may get a comment from the subjects if you use the old one (How would I know that?). See the above section for more comments.
Thanks for the interest.
dmelliott 19:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Thanks for filling me in. What I've done - hope you don't mind - is to add podcastv's extensions to {{Infobox Podcast}} so that it can now continue to be used as a standard template, and updated Cube News 1 and The Full Moon Show accordingly. Infobox podcastv is therefore no longer categorized. If any of this isn't okay, let me know and I'll try to fix. Sardanaphalus (talk) 07:21, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Dear Sardanaphalus,
If you compare the new infobox at Cube News 1 and Full Moon Show with its predecessor at User:Dmelliott/Sub3 or that at Luria_Petrucci, a couple of things stick out. First, the new appears cluttered and thus less clear and less attractive, and, therefore, its existence has less relevance.  The basic reason for this is that the interline spacing has, for some reason, been reduced, however, there are also some additions that do not help.
The addition of the word "schedule" causes this item name to go double line, unlike any of the other item names, and, because it is an irregularity, reduces the readability.  There is utterly no need for this word since the meaning is clearly conveyed by using "Updates".  Since this is unnecessary, its inclusion constitutes a reduction, not an increase, in clarity.
Changing the item name "Camera" to "Camerawork" does indeed bring it more into line with the words "Production" and "Direction", however this is not the standard citation (watch a movie's credits).  It thereby reduces rather than increases the readability, and does not add to the somewhat lacking credibility of Wikipedia's treatment of podcasts.
The elimination of the built in second language handling feature does not make international podcasts, such as Mobuzz, more readily accessible or easy to post.
The elimination of the carefully worked out width causes, probably only in some browsers, an artifact to exist on the bottom right of the last letter in the word "Medium".  Also this unnecessarily forces this line to become a double line, reducing readability.
The "Cited as" seems to have disappeared.  Perhaps in the Jesse_Owens article, all that self serving and unnecessary "Gold" stuff should be removed from the Infobox too.
On a much previous topic, while the "Instant Removal" at the bottom of the CN1 page was taken down, the pictures are still individually marked as such.  It has been some months.
dmelliott 10:30, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I've made some adjustments which I hope address most of your observations. First, the spacing between lines has been increased; "Update schedule" has become "Updates" (I think I probably inherited the former from the original Infobox Podcast); and "Camerawork" has become "Camera". So far as I'm aware, the multiple language feature hasn't been eliminated (see the "Version also in", "RSS in other languages" and "Atom in other languages" entries on the template's page) nor has the "Cited as" entry. The infobox's width is now 22.5em (270px in 12pt font-size) which I hope now suffices. Sardanaphalus (talk) 12:05, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Apparently, we were both working on this simultaneously.  The stuff I was going to put in has been largely addressed by this really really easy to read and nice looking update, thank you.
  • If the "Cited As" still exists, why is it not still present on the Cube News 1 page?   Also, if I go to edit the CN1 article, there is no second language facility.  dmelliott 12:44, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  • For some reason, the very concise "Debut" got changed to "Launch date", which unnecessarily double lines.  "Premiered" would also work, but "Debut" is the most concise.
  • The pictures are still labeled for instant demolition.
  • I notice something here, not only from the reduction in legibility due to the creation of an irregular and cluttered layout, but especially from the comments about things that "should" still be there, which even a casual glance at the results show are not there.
  • HTML, and all its relatives, are strictly appearance languages; that's all they are about.  If one wants to be coding oriented, the technical or gaming fields are the place to be.  For the HTMLs, one must actually look at the results.
  • The idea is to make things as clean and concise as possible so the content can be understood easily and without confusion, and attractive so the readers will want to look at the content.  If close, visual scrutiny of the actual results is not ones thing, this is the wrong kind of language.  dmelliott 09:52, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • In addition to using the update from 'Cube Girl' to 'Cubegirl', I eliminated the quotes in its introduction.  That is, you do not say  Screen Actor's Guild ("SAG"), you just use (SAG).  I left the &nbsp; in it because I assume you found some problem that it solved. dmelliott 10:26, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Hi again. Just noticed you'd revisited Cube News 1, so I've tried to sort out the above. Glad you liked the update!
First, the missing "Cited as" was caused by a typo -- sorry. It should be working now.
Comment: the reason it was missing is that youy did not check your work, i.e. perform the basic function of an editor!  Please add this to the many reasons, below, for recusing.  dmelliott 14:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Second, "Debut" should now appear instead of "Launch date" (another hangover from the original infobox, I think). How about switching "End date" to "Finale" to match?
Third, as regards the pictures, I guess it depends on whether or not they're free-to-use. Wikipedia:Image use policy might help, if you've not already consulted it.  Just seen #Images on Cube News 1 above. Looks like you'll need to keep knocking on Breno and OTRS's doors. Alternatively, try posting a request for help somewhere on the Wikipedia:Village pump. I think that's what I try. (Unfortunately, I know very little about image-use here.)
Fourth, I'm not sure what you mean about "the comments about things that "should" still be there, (etc)". To me, the template seems neat, tidy and legible (on IE and Firefox), but perhaps that's not what you mean?
Finally, I think the &nbsp; after the "Cubegirl" was meant to stop the italic "l" colliding with the close-bracket. Sardanaphalus (talk) 10:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
By the "should be" I mean your statement:

So far as I'm aware, the multiple language feature hasn't been eliminated (see the "Version also in", "RSS in other languages" and "Atom in other languages" entries on the template's page) nor has the "Cited as" entry.

Actually looking at the result and not just the code would have shown that it was missing, as the second language/feed still is.  Most people would not want it said that an obvious mistake was pointed out twice, but still missed, or that an update to a simple Infobox ended up with multiple errors.
Yes, the template does look reasonable, finally.
The "Finale" question is somewhat moot since it implies an intentionally terminating episode.  Few of these go this way, most just dribbling off into "podfade", thus having no "Finale".  Hence, while it is certainly more attractive rhetoricwise, it would frequently be inaccurate.  dmelliott 10:50, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I noticed by actually looking that even after two alerts (the first of which did get a written response) the second language feature is still missing in the Info box at Full Moon Show, and at Cube News 1, and at the example usage of this template User:Billpg/Infobox_Podcast_example which is supposed to have every thing filled in.  Either you still do not understand what "actually checking your work" means, or you are intentionally ignoring this, or you just can't do this sort of thing.  Please fix or recuse.  dmelliott 04:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I can't see any second language (language_other) in the code for the template on those pages. If by mistake I've previously removed it, my apologies. I'm also sorry if it appears I'm ignoring you; that's also not my intention. Perhaps I'm just stupid. Sardanaphalus (talk) 15:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
You are right, and that is the point.  Now let us contrast this with your previous statement that has already been quoted to you once:

So far as I'm aware, the multiple language feature hasn't been eliminated (see the "Version also in", "RSS in other languages" and "Atom in other languages" entries on the template's page) nor has the "Cited as" entry.

At one point you thought the second language / second feed feature was still there, although mistakenly, but now you do not know anything about it.  Does everything have to be pointed out to you twice?  You could actually go to all the effort of checking the source, Template:Infobox_podcastv, if checking things by actually looking at them were part of your activities.  Please recuse.  dmelliott 04:13, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I notice that the "title" feature is marked as: <!--included in image-->  This makes it sound like it is necessary to have an image to have a title.  Please add this to the list of reasons for recusing.  dmelliott 15:22, 13 April 2008 (UTC)