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Stat tables format

Hello, I noticed you change the structure of the stat tables such as Daniel Alfredsson. The proper structure is on the WP:HOCKEY player page format. You can change the active one if you want to, go ahead, the yours on there (with the thinner rows) but I'd discuss it first. I'd just like to know why you prefer it. Thanks. --Hasek is the best 03:41, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

It was the consensus that was reached on the wikiproject. All players stats are being moved to this format. The reasoning behind it was so that people did not have to scroll as much when reading stats. --Djsasso 07:04, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Huh, well before that can happen a lot of statistics need to be completed...I'll do some today using the changed format. --Hasek is the best 14:32, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Deprodded Andre Chabot

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from Andre Chabot, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. I have nominated the article for deletion instead; the debate may be found at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andre Chabot, which overrides the need for a {{prod}} tag. I have explained my reasons for doing this in my nomination. Thanks! UsaSatsui 00:15, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Edmonton Oilers

Look at the article more closely. Dont you know how messed up the page looks?

The Edmonton Oilers are a professional ice hockey team based in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. They are members of the Northwest Division of the Western Conference of the National Hockey League (NHL). When playing against their arch rivals, the Calgary Flames, the matches are often referred to as the Battle of Alberta.

The Oilers are the northernmost team in North American professional sports. Edmonton is located above 53 degrees north latitude.

Everyone knows that Edmonton is the largest northern city in North america. A sports page can't have where the city is located. Do any of the other NHL team pages have where they are located latitude wise? Or how about ANY of the sports pages? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TelusFielder (talk • contribs) 03:06, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

This site is not only for people in this area that would know that. There are many people in the states or other english speaking countries that have no idea where Edmonton is. No other team page has such a unique fact like this so no none of them do but the Edmonton Oilers should. --Djsasso 05:20, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Now that looks better. Good to know you came to your senses. But the oilers aren't the north most franchise. What about the esks, Rush, Cracker-Cats? --(talk

In that case I will rewrite what it says to say of the 4 major leagues. --Djsasso 22:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Ottawa Senators

I've removed some of his 'linkage' edits (if he reverts it back, I'll leave it alone). He doesn't seem to include the St.Louis Eagles, in his -it's the same club PoV. Wow, it's like he's arguing every person with the same name, is the same person. PS- Yeah, I'm glad we're on the same side too. GoodDay 19:21, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

In a way I agree with him, but I think we have enough edits in place that show the links between the two teams so there is definately no reason to keep arguing really cause he won't be able to make any major changes anyways. Over time other editors will probably even edit out his linkage edits as tends to happen on wiki. --Djsasso 19:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry Djsasso, I've removed the 'pre-1991' info from the TopInfobox (couldn't remain completely silent) - that info belongs at Ottawa Senators (original) and St. Louis Eagles. PS- We need creation of these articles Ottawa Senators (QSHL) and Ottawa Senators (OCHL), to handle the 'senior hockey' info. GoodDay 22:10, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

PS- if you have a source, for the NHL revocation of that certificate, would you show it to Alan? Perhaps, he'll then agree to reduce that 1884-1955 section to '1884-1935' (removing the senior-league Senators, which don't belong). GoodDay 22:20, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Nono I didn't mean they literally did it. I mean they did it through their actions. ie they declared the records separate etc. --Djsasso 23:31, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I haven't check up on the Senators 'edit history'; but I recall agreeing on 'briefly mentioning the reinstatement thing'. How did things develop to include all these other Senators clubs in the 'history section' (that wasn't a part of the agreement)?. Have I lost touch with events, so quickly? GoodDay 21:53, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello Djsasso. Is it just my imagination? Or is the Senators 'histoy section' becoming more bloated by the hour (it's getting rather lengthy). GoodDay 22:50, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I am just going to let him run out of steam I think then rewrite everything in condensed version. --Djsasso 23:50, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Yep Hockey in Ottawa seals the deal. In future, I'll keep an eye that Al keeps the Senators clubs seperate on that article. Thanks for ending the stalemate. GoodDay 14:53, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Will do. GoodDay 14:57, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Question

If Wikipedia is supposed to be the "free encyclopedia that anyone can edit", then why are you undoing all of my edits? I'm cleaning up these articles and removing unnecessary lines and asking for sources for things that need sourcing. Why is that so terrible? -- Sebby7 15:21, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

It's not terrible in that the Red Hot video is valid in that article. Just because you don't like it there doesn't mean it doesn't belong there. --Djsasso 15:22, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Just because you like it, doesn't mean it belongs there. From what I've read, everything needs sources to prove notability, and the section has no sources. -- Sebby7 15:23, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

It belongs there because it was a noteworthy event not because I like it. It has received alot of media attention over the years. You don't just remove stuff because its missing citations. You go and find citations. --Djsasso 15:25, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Ice Hockey September 2007 Newsletter

Note: You have received this because your name is on Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Newsletter/List. If you no longer wish to receive this message, remove your name. --Animum Delivery Bot 01:47, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Harry Ainlay

The calgary school has 2060 students listed in the 2007 year while Harry Ainlay has listed theirs at 2300. --TelusFielder —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 23:46, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Listed where is the issue, the fact that Western actually has a source backing up its claim overrides a claim with no source. If you have a sorce go ahead and remove it but I could not find a reliable source listing it as having more students. --Djsasso 19:09, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Vernon Barford

I was at the graduation and they announced it as the largest one in school history. This was last June so maybe its too late now to find a link because all the old info has been deleted. --TelusFielder —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 03:54, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Thunder Bay Twins

I am glad you made articles for the info you took away, that is good. Now, according to Official Game Puck the Fort William and Port Arthur franchises merged in 1970 with the amalgamation of the city of Thunder Bay to create the competitive Twins team that joined the USHL. Also, OGP says the Twins were the basis for the Thunder Hawks... and the name change and league change also correspond.... if there is no direct linkage listed (which I think there should be)... then there should at least be a reference to the Thunder Hawks and Twins on each others article. DMighton 00:39, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I definitely agree, I wasn't 100% positive about the teams merging so I just removed it till I could find a source, but sounds like you already did so definitely am cool with that being back in there. And yeah I can see a comment on being linked in a way in the articles. I am actually from Thunder Bay originally and I remember the Twins ending because they didn't feel they could compete with both the Thunder Hawks and the Flyers. However, thats just a memory and I have no sources at the to back that up. Definitely wasn't attacking your article creation or anything if I came off that way. I have been meaning to create these articles for a couple years now but never seem to get around to it. You just gave me the impetus to get going. --Djsasso 02:31, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I am from the Owen Sound area... a town called Durham, but live in Windsor at the moment. I have a deep rooted need to research obscure Junior, Intermediate, and Senior hockey history in Ontario... Thunder Bay is the hardest to get things on... although the NOHA really seems to tries to do worse. I am looking for history for the old Thunder Bay Junior A league, Senior A league, Junior B league (original and current)... and as well as the NSHL and International Jr. B league. I mostly search for standings. I'm glad you know that tidbit about the Twins and Thunder Hawks. In reality, I still think there should be a reference, even a mention of the Twins as a precursor to the Thunder Hawks -- I think that without the Allan Cup success of the Twins that you couldn't get a CoHL franchise in Thunder Bay. DMighton 03:35, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Definitely, if you can think of a good way to word that by all means add it into there. --Djsasso 04:09, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I worked hard on it all night. Fascinating team, I wish I had some of their Manitoba Sr. stats... but maybe I'll microfilm them in a couple months if I get time. If you got anything to add, go for it. Same with the Thunder Bay Flyers. DMighton 05:23, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

John Stewart

Could you please explain why alphabetising lists of people makes it "much easier to find who you are looking for". Dismabiguators vary wildly depending on who created the article and you would have to know what disambiguator has been used in order to use an alphabetical list. At least with a chronological list you may well have an idea when the person lived and where in the list they may be. -- Necrothesp 08:55, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

It is alot less likely that a person knows when their subject was born than the likely spelling of the person's page. I mean for example if I am looking for a ice hockey player named John Stewart, I am very unlikely to know when they were born but I do know that they are likely to be disambiguated by the word ice hockey and so I know to look for the letter i's for that or at the very worst an h just for hockey. Still alot easier than me fumbling for their birth year. --Djsasso 14:01, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

But you still know they were likely born in the 20th century. Wikipedia is not just a current biographical dictionary. -- Necrothesp 14:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I realize that, but that still doesn't narrow it down much. --Djsasso 15:01, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

It narrows it down far more than disambiguators do. Dates are facts; disambiguators are opinion. -- Necrothesp 15:08, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Goldeyes

Ok, I am sorry. I meant no contempt. I was just attempting to fill in the missing pieces. I was not trying to be difficult. I apologize. I am simply confused I guess. The W logo is what is found on their caps. They have the script on their uniforms, their site, and their merchandise, as well as the W logo. I figured that by putting the W one as the Cap logo, the infobox could be filled in. The script logo is obviously not the cap logo. I attempted to get the G logo from their road caps, but I have not been able to yet. Again I am sorry I really did not mean anything by it. I was simply trying to fill in the holes. --MJHankel 21:59, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

No worries, was just a bit frustrating everytime I tried to edit something new was there. It's all good I know you were just trying to fill the hole. Just make sure you add fair use rational when you upload photos or they get removed. A good template to use when doing so is what I use. Only really applicable to logos but you can change it around to fit other subjects. --Djsasso 22:04, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Thunder Bay League

Do you remember much about the Thunder Bay Junior A Hockey League that folded in 1984? I know it changed its name the last couple years to the Hockey Thunder Bay League and included Senior teams... but do you know anything? Also, I'm looking for a good paper in the region that is known for covering their local leagues, especially their standings, know one? DMighton 03:16, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Not off the top of my head. I used to have a bunch of hockey programs from the USHL Flyer days that talked a bit about the old league but they are all back at my parents place. I live in Calgary now. The only paper in the region really would have been the The Chronicle-Journal. --Djsasso 03:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Categories

I am not going to add anything else about this to the WProject page...It's probably confusing enough for whoever comes to read it. Thanks for explaining that to me though. I understand what you are saying. I just don't know why they cannot be in both categories, especially since the GMs are far more notable than the other executives, and there are a lot more articles on the GMs on Wikipedia. This is the reason I brought the question to the Project anyways, because I wasn't sure. Otherwise I just would have done it. - Rjd0060 05:50, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

And a side note, GO WINGS!!!! Sorry couldn't help it after seeing a Montreal and Calgary userbox on your userpage. - Rjd0060 05:53, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Obviously its just my opinion, but just thought I would point out the category was there since I stumbled upon the same thing you did a couple years back I believe and was like well why don't we use the GM category. They could definitely be in both, but the trend is to try not to duplicate categories. For example if you have a player listed in Category:Michigan Wolverines ice hockey players you wouldn't also put him in Category:University of Michigan alumni because its self evident and one is a subcategory of the other. But whatever the rest of the group decides is cool with me, I just happen to fix cats on articles alot so its something I figured I better chime in on. Haha yeah, we'll see how they are doing by the end of the year ;) --Djsasso 05:55, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Yea, either way is fine with me. See how they are doing at the end of the year, huh. Well, you should have plenty of time to watch Detroit games since Calg & Mont won't get (into) too far into the playoffs. ;) - Rjd0060 05:58, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

And I want to mention that I think (and hopefully everybody does) it is important that we achieve uniformity and consistency throughout the NHL Teams' pages. So we should make sure whatever is done, is done for them all. I am in the process of changing the NavBoxes, but I thnk you've already commented that on the project page. - Rjd0060 06:06, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

President

When you said "presidents" here did you mean NHL non-team-specific presidents, or the team presidents as well? Because in the case of Lou Lamoriello, he is the GM, team president, and team CEO of the New Jersey Devils.[1] I'm assuming you meant non-team-specific, but I just want to make sure. Bsroiaadn^Talk 07:53, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I meant presidents of teams in general. There will obviously be cases of players who are both positions and in that case two categories definitely makes sense should we go with a seperate GM category. --Djsasso 19:50, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

AWB

I've approved you to use AWB, per your request. SQL^{(Query Me!)} 08:09, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Irish ice hockey players

Thanks for fixing the category. -RiverHockey 19:07, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment moved from userpage

Why did you can the added links to the Ice hockey page????? No mention of USA Hockey anywhere on Ice Hockey???? They only have 600,000 members.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.36.142.225 (talk • contribs)

USA hockey is already linked on there. What you are attempting to link is a hockey magazine which would be advertising and no it is not an allowable external link per WP:EL. --Djsasso 22:02, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

In Remembrance...

--nat ^{Alo! Salut! Sunt eu, un haiduc?!?!} 00:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Country

So, should players articles mention their country of birth or not ? Which is it ? When I add the country you remove it, when I remove it you put it back. Looks inconsistent to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.192.62.249 (talk) 20:00, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

To quote someone else who posted on your last talk IP address.

"Anon user, Your edits to players country of origin aren't even consistent. e.g. if it's a Canadian player, this is the format to follow: in Grande Cache, Alberta) is a Canadian professional ice hockey player. Other countries such as Sweden will follow this: in Örnsköldsvik, Sweden) is a Swedish professional ice hockey player, note the first reference links to "Sweden" and the second to "Swedish people". Just trying to clear this up so you don't start edit wars. Thanks. IrisKawling 23:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)"

That should give you an example of what works and is consistant. --Djsasso 21:30, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah but it's not consistant : one has country while the other does not. Let's link first to "Canada" and then to "Canadian people", now that would be consistent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.192.62.249 (talk) 22:57, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Except Canadian people is not the same sort of article as Swedish people. It's just a redirect to the demographics page. The reason we use the above example is that it standardizes the opening line of hockey player articles. Of course not all articles have it at the moment as it is a large task to keep up with them all. --Djsasso 23:29, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

According to the manual of style for biographies, you shouldn't mention the birthplace in the first sentence (though exceptional cases are different). However, you should mention nationality. So "Sidney Crosby (born August 7, 1987) is a Canadian (link to Canada) ice hockey player..." is proper.-Wafulz 23:35, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I am not disagreeing with you Wafulz but I don't actually see where it says don't do that on the WP:MOSBIO. I know that Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers) says you shouldn't entangle dates and birth places, however, I don't believe the above example entangles them as long a you put the word in between the date and the place. --Djsasso 23:41, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I always assumed it was implicit since none of the examples list the birthplace. Hanging around WP:FAC also convinced me that it was preferred to avoid that type of clutter in the opening line.-Wafulz 23:52, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Does make sense and I can totally agree with that. I've just been bitten by the don't assume bug before. But yeah I would prefer to have infoboxes on all players and just have the birthplace there but getting everyone converted is taking awhile. I mean we started 2 years ago converting players to infoboxes and still aren't there yet. --Djsasso 23:56, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Dick Mattiussi

I have a question about the catsort NPOV alpha order, it doesnt seem to make any sense, its not completely in alphabetical order (living people), the way I had it before listed pro teams in alphabetical order followed by nonpro teams in alphabetical order, rather than everything lumped together. Can you explain how the NPOV works? Thanks. -RiverHockey 14:33, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

NPOV is non-point of view. To sort it pretty much any other way is an opinion on how it should be sorted. Alphabetical is a fact. Alphabetical makes it easier for non-fans to find categories because they might not know the difference between pro and non-pro. And sorting based on significance like some people like to try is even worse because who is to say one cat is more significant than others. --Djsasso 14:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Removal of NYA external link

If you are going to remove that external link I added for the NYA uniforms because it doesn't meet some guideline, shouldn't you then remove a similar link on the Quebec Bulldogs page? That is where I got the idea from.Giantdevilfish 02:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Didn't see it on that page. But I will now. --Djsasso 04:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Tyler Johnson

I don't dispute the prod, but you say "when he plays professionally" -- I thought the minors _were_ professional?--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 18:14, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

WHL isn't the minors. It's amateur junior hockey played by teenagers. ie unpaid. --Djsasso 18:15, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

*light goes on* Ah! Ok. When I lived near Seattle, the distinction wasn't clearly made -- I didn't even pick it up at the one game I went to. The media talks about the Sonics, the Storm, and the T-Birds playing at Key Arena, with little-to-no indication of the difference.--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 18:35, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

It is considered a high level league as most NHL players come from it or one of its two sister leagues. However, the players in it haven't turned pro. It's the hockey equivalent (atleast in Canada) of the NCAA basketball or football I suppose except the teams aren't attached to school or anything like that. --Djsasso 18:37, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Schenn

No worries. I wasn't planning on doing the entire WHL or anything, but he seems to be fairly analagous to Doughty and Colten Teubert, who both have articles, so I hooked Schenn up. Leafschik1967 (talk) 22:43, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

You'd be surprised how many times we get someone who comes along and adds their entire favourite CHL team to the site. I knew you weren't doing it, I mostly just was posting you the link to notability cause I saw your comment on the talk page for Schenn. --Djsasso (talk) 23:02, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Spelling

Randy Andreachuk
Steve Bancroft
Don Gibson --Ulf17 (talk) 17:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

So then if you know that Canadian players should have Canadian spelling why are you so insistant on Philadelphia Flyers ones only having American spelling. I know you keep arguing that they have only ever played for an American team. But Bobby Clarke for example has played on the Canadian National Team which I would think would trump any NHL team he played for. --Djsasso (talk) 17:44, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I gave them those spellings because they played for Canadian teams. In the case of Bancroft I made the judgment that his being a Maple Leafs first rounder trumped his 6 NHL games with Chicago and San Jose. Regarding Clarke, he is the most famous Philadelphia Flyer and he is their greatest player. I believe him to be more identifiable with the Flyers than with Team Canada. Some may suggest otherwise and in such cases you rely on precedent, which happens to be Center for Clarke. --Ulf17 (talk) 18:19, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

However, precedent is that all people born in Canada get Non-American spelling because that is a NPOV way to do it. Deciding what trumps what is POV and should be avoided. --Djsasso (talk) 18:21, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Should Joel Otto and Craig Conroy use the American spelling even though they are most identifiable as Calgary Flames? --Ulf17 (talk) 18:41, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Yup they probably should if they don't already. --Djsasso (talk) 19:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

A request -- Dj will you indent your postings properly at Wikipedia talk: WikiProject Ice Hockey, please? They're blending in with mine. GoodDay (talk) 23:23, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I am indenting them properly. You two aren't. I am indenting one indent after his which is how you indent. If I was replying to you then I would indent twice. --Djsasso (talk) 23:24, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I've never heard of those indenting procedures (always something new for me to learn). Anyways, I'm gonna let the '2' of you figure things out (on the spelling) - more then two editors in a discussion can be confusing. GoodDay (talk) 23:38, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

It's all good. Indenting that way makes it easier to understand who you are replying to and to follow one thread of a conversation. Feel free to keep chiming in because if its only two people then nothing will ever get solved, as I am sure you are aware from the diacritics debate haha. --Djsasso (talk) 23:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Hockey Jersey Numbers in List Articles

I agree with the comment you made re: 1 game players (in the List of Blackhawk Players article), but I'm fairly certain the Blackhawk media guide is as accurate as possible in this regard. Plus, there's an independent website that has the same information (although it hasn't been updated since 1997), see here: [2].

The Hawk media guide is their official publication they produce annually so I would think the team historian would be able to verify all uniform or jersey numbers, even for players that have only played 1 game.

As an example, in the Hawk media guide they have listings for Wilf Culde and Tony Ahilen, both played in only 1 game in a Hawk uniform, but both have different listings. For Culde, they have his uniform as #1, but for Ahilen there's only a hyphen. I think that could be done for List Articles where the uniform number is unknown or can't be verified. --Ered7 (talk) 03:11, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

CASH line

It is amusing. A notable line with a non-notable nickname. :-) But, what kind of article title would Alfredsson-Spezza-Heatley line be? Could have been Dazzle or Dash! ROTFL Alaney2k 18:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I think you have missed the whole point of this arguement now that I read this comment. The NAME is what the article is about. Not the three players. This is why everyone is !voting against it. The line is just a part of the Ottawa Senators team, no different than any other top line on any other team. The name is what makes it different, however we are saying the name isn't notible enough to actually make it different than any other line. -Djsasso 18:30, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

There are many quotes about it being the top line in hockey, which is of course, debatable, but still they are being made. The name is it's name. CASH line could refer to a supermarket check-out. The article is certainly not about the name, but the line. No offense, but I think you have it the wrong way around, not I. Alaney2k 18:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Go and look at the opinons everyone has stated. They are all stating that the name CASH line is not notible as in no one outside of Ottawa knows who they are if you asked the average person. It's why there are not articles about every line that consisted of Mario Lemieux/Jaromir Jagr/Some Other Guy etc etc. This debate is very much about the name of the line and not the players. Which is why a number of people have said this article does not inherit notability from the players on the line. You are very much backwards on what this debate is about. If it were about the players on the line there would be an article for every line Gretzky ever played on, an article for every line Lemieux ever played on etc etc. But articles about lines like the Production Line etc are about the fact that it was a NAMED line. This is why people are telling you that the article needs to wait until the name CASH line is universally recognized outside of Ottawa. Not because the players aren't notible but because no one has a clue who the CASH line is if you asked them. -Djsasso 19:30, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

To follow that logic, then there should not be articles about hockey lines. And I would disagree about that. Naming of a line is suitable for a list article, but an article about a line and its history is encyclopedic, not its naming. In this case, each member has some notability on their own, but they have achieved true notability within this combination. Alfredsson brought some to the table, so did Heatley, but since the lock-out, since the line was together, a period of greater than 2 season, has been notable. Spezza would not be on a video game cover without this line. Your comment about 'average person'?. The average fan in several fan forums called it the top line in hockey. Alaney2k 19:45, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Again you are missing the point. We aren't arguing that it is not the top line in hockey, we are arguing that the entity known as the CASH line is not notible. An organization or a group does not acheive notiblity on its own just because its members or parts are notible on their own. If you ask someone litterally "Who is on the CASH line?" the majority of people outside Ottawa would not know who was on it. And yes most of us agree that hockey lines shouldn't have their own articles which is why we created the list. The only lines that should have articles are lines where people know exactly which players we are talking about when we say the name of the line. To argue that the line is notable based on its parts is a violation of WP:SYNTH which I believe you are already familiar with. -Djsasso 19:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I know you know the Wikipedia rules. Ask the average person about what is Wikipedia? Who are the top editors on Wikipedia? Would it do any better than CASH line? But at least you brought notability into it. That can make it clear. It's clear that line combinations of the Canucks is not notable enough and is a waste of space. But this line is notable. As you argued before, there are standards to get above the beer league for players -- they have to be at the top. That applies to this line. Reliable source are aware of the name. That's why I suggested the best thing to do is to define the guidelines first. Then we can work on editing, not debating. Alaney2k 20:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that notibility is considered permanent, so once something has acheived notability then they can't unachieve it. 10, 20, 30, 50 years down the road will this line still deserve an article, will people still know who the CASH line was. It is far to early to say that as people now outside Ottawa do not know who the CASH line is. The reason the Production Line has an article is not because of how good the players on it were, because relatively speaking they weren't amazing players compared to many that have come since or even before them. They are remembered and notible because of the name they were given. This trio has to start collectively being known as the CASH line and sustain that recognition to earn a page on wikipedia. -Djsasso 20:31, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

The Production Line had Gordie Howe, Ted Lindsay, Sid Abel and later Delvecchio. All members of the HHOF. Numerous trophies earned while part of the line. The name could have been LAG for their acronyms, whatever, it wouldn't matter. It's the trio. In the context of hockey history, the line is notable. It led their team to championships. In their day, or today, I am sure that you could go to the average person and they would not know who was on that line. Alaney2k 20:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't mean to write the Production Line. I meant to write The Kid Line. We just have been using the production line as an example alot lately. The Production line is definately notible on its own, but I would disagree with you on the average hockey fan not knowing who was on that line. And before you say it yes they are all members of the hall of fame now, but again its the name that makes the line itself notible. -Djsasso 20:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Need your assistance, kind editor

Hi there Djasasso, I'm part of the Disambiguation pages with links project, basically what we do is find disambiguation pages and remove links that are supposed to go to other articles. A perfect example: If you click on assist, you will be led to a disambiguation page. The problem is, when someone wants to know what an "assist" is as it pertains to hockey (or soccer, or baseball or whatever), they have to continue to click to the right page. If a hockey article links to assist, it is technically linked incorrectly and has to be manually changed to assist (ice hockey). The "Career Statistics" box that the hockey wikiProject uses (I believe the links were added by User:Hasek is the best), has the letters GP,G,A,P, and GIM as links. The one for A needs to say "assists (ice hockey)" like the rest of them to get rid of the disam confusion. The disam page "assist" current has over 100 misapplied A links that are meant for hockey assists. Thanks for any assistance you can provide to fix this! Keeper | 76 21:18, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem I will take a run through them tonight if I have a chance. -Djsasso 21:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I've been working on them too. The quickest way to stop the bleeding is to change the template in your discussion page for hockey players here. After that, it will take going back over the numerous pages that already use the new template. A list of articles that need fixin' (I'm working my way through these too) can be seen here (I realize not all of them are hockey, but you get the idea anyway). Thanks for your help! Keeper | 76 22:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I noticed you fixed the talk page! Much appreciated (the hole in the bucket is patched, now to drain the water)...happy editing to you, Keeper | 76 22:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, I think I've finished fixing the links to disam pages. If everyone uses the new template that you so kindly fixed, there shouldn't be any future problems. Thanks again for your attention, Keeper | 76 02:11, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Please review edit history.

I need a neutral third opinion at the Cape Breton Screaming Eagles article. Please review the edit history. Thanks. Flibirigit 16:23, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I would have to agree that, the information about the betting should definately go as its not apropriate on a team page. The information about the name should only be there if it can be sourced. If not it should be cut out completely as it is somewhat Trivial unless sourced. --Djsasso 16:26, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, please watch if it reappears. PS - I sent out a TFD on St. John's Fog Devils Roster. Flibirigit 16:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Reply

Ah, okay. I guess 30 days is better then. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 04:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Flags on navboxes

Hi Djsasso, I've started a discussion on the navbox talk page in an attempt to reach a consensus on this issue. Cheers -- JD554 (talk) 08:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

AfD on Cash line

Has that AfD expired? GoodDay (talk) 21:48, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Technically it has, but there is usually a backlog on closing them. The minimum time is 5 days but its usually open a little longer than that. --Djsasso (talk) 21:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. GoodDay (talk) 22:08, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the debate

Thanks for participating in the Fog Devils season discussion and remaining civil. I obviously strongly disagree with your reading of the notability guideline and, though I've been unsuccessful in stating the inclusion policies clearly enough, I think I've said all I can on it. Cheers! DoubleBlue (Talk) 20:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh no problem at all. Definately wasn't anything agaist you. I am normally an inclusionist on wiki so normally I would be right along side of you arguing this. However, I think creating season articles for every amateur team is going to create a slippery slope. I will happily go along with whatever concensus ends up being, but I am just concerned with what precedent could be set by allowing this article in. --Djsasso (talk) 20:22, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Heh, heh, funny. No wonder we both feel so strongly. I have no interest in the Fog Devils but am concerned about how far down the slippery slope of voting by perceived importance we have gone! :-) DoubleBlue (Talk) 20:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

By the way, I'm not an inclusionist. I'm a card-carrying member of AWWDMBJAWGCAWAIFDSPBATDMTD. DoubleBlue (Talk) 20:39, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Haha yeah...thats too many words and too big an acronym for me so I just tend to type inclusionist. --Djsasso (talk) 20:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Ales Hemsky/Banff

Just to make your job easier, I added a source to 5 million visitors to Banff for the sport in calgary page. And isn't the saddledome primarily used by the flames?

How is "speed and dekeing" pov for the Ales Hemsky page? That is what he's mostly known for. Should I add a source?

How is that pov? That is what he's mostly known for —Preceding unsigned comment added by TelusFielder (talk • contribs) 00:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

The Saddledome is also used by the Hitmen and numerous other activities. As for as speed and deeking thats a point of view (POV). Anytime you make that kind of of judgement call it is point of view and thus is not encyclopedic. --Djsasso (talk) 02:10, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

My mistake. I didn't mean to write that twice.TelusFielder (talk) 04:41, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Deletion review of 2007-08 St. John's Fog Devils season

Good day. I have asked for a deletion review of 2007-08 St. John's Fog Devils season since I did not find the closing rationale to be valid. Although my concern is strictly the interpretation of policy, I would appreciate it if you would participate in the deletion review since you are probably the most knowledgeable about the subject of the article itself. Thanks. DoubleBlue (Talk) 04:05, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

List of National Hockey League statistical leaders

Man, that damn article! Hopefully this protection will keep the speculation and constant updating down to a more tolerable/non-existent level. Jmlk17 04:01, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, most of the hockey project really appreciates that protection. -Djsasso (talk) 04:01, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Not a problem. As a member of the hockey project, it can get insane when IPs start coming in when random crap. Jmlk17 04:05, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Your NPWatcher application

Dear Djsasso,

Thank you for applying for NPWatcher! You've been approved to use it. Before you run the program, please check the changelog on the application page to see if there is a newer release (or just add the main page (here) to your watchlist). Report any bugs or feature suggestion here. If you need help, feel free to contact me or join NPWatcher.

Jmlk17 05:22, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Elonka 3

Thank you for your participation in my RfA. It was definitely a dramatic debate that landed on WP:100, but ultimately was deemed a successful declaration of consensus, and I am now an admin. I definitely paid close attention to everything that was said in the debate, and, where possible, I will try to incorporate the (constructive) criticism towards being a better administrator. I'm going to take it slowly for now, partially because of the holidays and all the off-wiki distractions. I'm working my way through the Wikipedia:New admin school, carefully double-checking the relevant policies, and will gradually phase into the use of the new tools, with my main goals being to help out with various backlogs. I sincerely doubt you'll see anything controversial coming from my new access level. :) I also fully intend to keep on writing articles, as there are a few more that I definitely want to get to WP:FA status. If you do ever have any concerns about my activities as an administrator, I encourage you to let me know. My door is always open. Have a good holiday season, --Elonka 17:45, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Franz Josef Strauß

Might I ask you to take a look at the new discussion going on at Franz Josef Strauß? Yes, it is an ancient topic (the use of ß on en-wiki), but this is one of the most prominent articles in which this issue is of significance. Given your experience, your input would be very much appreciated. Unschool (talk) 01:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

WOAA Senior

My personal suggestion is that we drop the proposed deletion for the 2007-08 season and merge it with the league page. The 2006-07 page can be deleted in my opinion. The standings should be pulled from the 2007-08 WOAA standings and merged with the team chart on the WOAA league page. DMighton (talk) 21:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I am good with any of that. I just don't think they should be seperate pages. So if you want to harvest the info and place it on the appropriate pages then we can just let the prod's go through and clear out pages since they won't really be needed anyways once you merge. -Djsasso (talk) 21:46, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Sounds fair to me. The guy who works these articles might not like it... but... he seems reasonable... I'll get to harvesting. DMighton (talk) 22:31, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Adminship?

Are you interested in being an administrator? I see that you can definitely be aided if you had a delete button at the very least. ;-) --Maxim_(talk) 16:34, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I hadn't actually thought about it before. But you are right some of the tools to fix moves and deal with speedies would definately be useful. I would accept a nomination if someone put one through. -Djsasso (talk) 16:38, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

--Maxim_(talk) 16:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

In short, accept the nom, answer the question, then transclude (or ask me, both ways are acceptable) on the main rfa page (WP:RFA), at the top. --Maxim_(talk) 16:59, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

There we go, its all in. Now lets see what happens haha. -Djsasso (talk) 17:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Message

There is a message for you here. LarRan (talk) 19:28, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Dj for upholding the compromise. If not for your moniker, I'd had thought I was reverting LarRan. GoodDay (talk) 03:41, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I thought you might get a kick out of me reverting to the version I didn't like. -Djsasso (talk) 16:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

If I understood the guidelines correctly, the important thing is that diacritics (if any) should be hidden - which means that the source could like this: [[Håkan Loob|Hakan Loob]]. Correct? LarRan (talk) 19:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Tecnically either is ok, but to save bandwidth the example you showed is the best way to do it as it avoids the redirect. -Djsasso (talk) 19:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations

A consensus has been reached by your peers that you should be an admin. I have made it so. Please review Wikipedia:Administrators' reading list and keep up the great work. Sincerely, Kingturtle (talk) 17:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh you poor fool...  ;) Grats! We hockey admins are slowly taking over the world... Muhahahahahaha! Resolute 17:32, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Haha yeah, not really sure what Maxim got me into, but I figured we could always use another admin in the project. -Djsasso (talk) 17:33, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations. Supporting you was an easy choice. Now, go watch the Red Wings kick some ..... ;) - Rjd0060 (talk) 17:38, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Haha they are going to get knocked out by the Flames again, everyone knows it ;) -Djsasso (talk) 17:39, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Djsasso, if you are going rogue and deleting something, don't delete the Main Page. :-p It is very well protected and easy to restore. WP:AN, WP:ANI, and the WP:Village pump and its subpages require developer intervention to restore. Good luck with the new tools! Maxim_(talk) 17:43, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Haha Nice! Always good to know! :P -Djsasso (talk) 17:44, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

We've beaten them 3 times already....We'll just have to see about that. Again, congrats! - Rjd0060 (talk) 17:51, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I see you've made your first deletion to make way for a move. Congratulations, although this page would have provided better feedback on your deletion skills. :D Maxim_(talk) 18:15, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I somehow doubt I will be deleting that page. And yeah these Alain Cote pages have been driving me nuts for awhile as they keep getting renamed to a million things cause non-admins couldn't move them to what they should be called. -Djsasso (talk) 18:16, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

If you are going to go rogue, delete User:Maxim. He does it enough on his own, why not you too, eh? Resolute 18:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Congrats on becoming an Administrator. You're a fair-minded fellow, a pleasure to Wiki with. I only wish I'd known you had been nominated, so as I could've supported you. Anyways, you da man. GoodDay (talk) 18:34, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately I couldn't let people know or I would have violated WP:CANVASS. Was up to you to stumble onto it on your own. I have started watching afd pages that haven't been created yet so that I don't miss someone being put up that I would like to have a say on. -Djsasso (talk) 18:36, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I see, you couldn't campaign for the job. You've made it though, that's the important thing. GoodDay (talk) 18:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Your first admin request

Thanks for your work with WikiProject Ice Hockey, and your adminship. I think I forgot to vote in your request though :-S. Aside from that, could you please review MS Nindawayma. I have made numerous edits to the article to improve flow and writing style. User:81.86.230.16 believes I am biased. Please see Talk:MS Nindawayma. Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 18:02, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

About your RfA

The admins' T-shirt. Acalamari 18:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations on your successful request for adminship. I am glad you passed, and you are welcome for the support. For information on using your new tools, see the school for new admins; you will find it very useful. Good luck! Acalamari 18:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations Djsasso and as well Happy New Year 2008.--JForget 18:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations again. If you haven't done so already, you might want to consider changing your password. Hut 8.5 18:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations from me also! --Stormie (talk) 20:15, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations! Masterpiece2000 (talk) 02:38, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Congrats! Please don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page or IRC if you need help, but I suspect you'll do a great job alone. east.718 at 16:03, January 4, 2008

Congrats from me as well! Tiptoety ^talk 18:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Deleted SecurDisc

Hi, I am hoping that you can restore the article SecurDisc. It was deleted under Proposed deletion. I see under the undeletion policy that '[i]f a page was deleted under Proposed deletion, then it should be immediately undeleted by request.' Given that this term is written on many DVD drives (e.g. http://uk.lge.com/about/press_release/detail/PRE|MENU_5539_1.jhtml), I would like the article to remain as a source of 'SecurDisc' information. Many thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snodnipper (talk • contribs) 17:05, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Truro Center for the Arts Page

I'd like you to consider un-deleting the Truro Center for the Arts page. It is a real place with historical significance - both for its physical location and for its programming which has served as a starting point for many signifcant artists and writers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyndiw (talk • contribs) 17:10, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Vandal warnings

Make sure to substitute (subst:) your vandal warnings. (See User talk:24.220.152.32). Thanks! Malinaccier (talk) 22:35, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I probably should. I have always just let the bot do it for some reason. -Djsasso (talk) 22:38, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Ken Bru

Cheers for the tip re Speedy R3! I'll just wait for an admin to close my incorrect MfD before going for it. Cheers JD554 (talk) 16:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Come to think of it I could actually close it. Haha...I will have to figure out how. -Djsasso (talk) 16:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks

	Thanks for your support, my request for adminship passed 62/0/0 yesterday! I want to thank Snowolf and Dincher for nominating me, those who updated the RfA tally, and everyone for their support and many kind words. I will do my best to use the new tools carefully and responsibly (and since you are reading this, I haven't yet deleted your talk page by accident!). Please let me know if there is anything I can do to be of assistance, and keep an eye out for a little green fish with a mop on the road to an even better encyclopedia. Thanks again and take care, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 16:49, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

KoL images are copyrighted, so I'll use this PD one instead.

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Thank you for your support in my quest to become a sysop. Although I am now wielding the keys to my very own Bitchin' Meatcar, I promise to uphold the laws of the land, martini in hand, in a way that would make Saint Sneaky Pete proud. I will do my best to be a Jack of Several Trades (although I may be a Master of Nuns). I promise to Heart Canadia. And I will make it my goal to Make War, Not ... er, Wait, Never Mind.

I am glad to serve my guild, the League of Wikipedians. If I can be of any assistance, or you have any questions, suggestions, or criticisms in the future, please let me know. And if you are at a loss for what any of the above actually means, see this website.

Thanks again.

An Encyclopedia is We! - Revolving Bugbear 22:30, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for voting in my RfA, which closed successfully with 34 support, 2 oppose, and 0 neutral. I appreciate your support! I promise I will wield the mop wisely, and do my best to improve Wikipedia. -- AKeen (talk) 14:59, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for voting in my RfA, which which passed nem. con. with 45 support, 0 oppose, and 0 neutral. Thank you for your support and all the kind words that were expressed. I will try to live up to the trust placed in me by the community. I now have my homework to do and then pass the Marigolds.

Cheers Kbthompson (talk) 16:09, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Image deletion

Could you return this image for me? Image:Carson Trophy.jpg -- It was on EOJBHL and Alexandria Glens... Maxim seemingly deleted it without checking the rationale... or that I had the author release its rights. He did it to another image to, but I'll let that one slide because it was probably replaceable. DMighton (talk) 03:56, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, could you bring this back to: Image:2007 super series logo3.gif from 2007 Super Series... thanks. DMighton (talk) 05:09, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

So I restoried the super series logo and added a fair use, however the Carson Trophy did not have proper GFDL liscensing tagged on it, so it was properly deleted. -Djsasso (talk) 16:09, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing back the logo. But I have to disagree with the image. It was deleted as NC-yadda-yadda-#?? as a FUR violation. The matter of fact was the image deleted was a image released to domain and tagged as such... I don't see how GFDL licensing would be relevant... Either way, I've uploaded the image again under the "Copyright holder released public domain images" and restored it myself. If you think there is a more appropriate way to license it, please tell me or correct it... we have the authors permission to use it, no rights reserved. There is a shortage of trophy images that can with stand copyright paranoia and I worked hard to find this and get full permission to use it. DMighton (talk) 20:58, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm upon looking at the picture you did have an appropriate template on it. I am not sure how I missed that either. I think its cause I am used to seeing the more common {{GFDL}}. -Djsasso (talk) 21:24, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

It does look an awful lot like the FUR template, I do admit. lol... DMighton (talk) 21:29, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

DMighton, why couldn't ask me to do it? ;-) After all, I'm human and I do make mistakes. Maxim_(talk) 21:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Slightly belated gratz

Steve Smiths

I'd appreciate it if you could organise to reverse to the page moves you pre-emptively performed on the Steve Smith hockey player pages while the formal proposal was underway. Somehow you managed to reverse the talk pages for the players, so that the talk pages now apply to the wrong person and thus the move proposal link has been stuffed up. Snocrates 21:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Is this now under control, at least so far as reuniting the discussion with the corresponding articles is concerned? If not, can I help? How? Andrewa (talk) 06:01, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

The talk pages are still reversed. See my talk page. Snocrates 08:46, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually I didn't pre-emptively do anything, you requested a move after you already made a controversial page move on your own so I was reverting your move to the original name so that the discussion of your move could be maintained in the proper context. You aren't really requesting the page be moved from Mayumashu's version to your own you are requesting that the page be moved from this version to your own. You should have made this request prior to moving the page the first time as it is quite clear by looking at the page history that any move you make to these pages would be a controversial one. -Djsasso (talk) 14:14, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I made the move and it went undisturbed for some time. There's a difference in making a move — "controversial" or not — without discussion and then making one during a formal process. And then, to f-up the talk pages in the process — well, that just demonstrates what we're dealing with, I guess. Snocrates 21:48, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I hardly think two days is some time. I was just assuming good faith and fixing what I thought was an accidental incorrect move request, however, I could have been a bigger jerk about it and assumed you were doing it this way to avoid people noticing that you were actually changing it from a completely different name as opposed to a minor gramatical change like you make it look like in your request. -Djsasso (talk) 21:51, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Do you want some sort of barnstar award for that? Snocrates 22:14, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Wow, way to continue being uncivil. -Djsasso (talk) 22:16, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

'Cos I can probably line that up for you if that's what you're getting at ... Snocrates 22:23, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

See Talk:Steve Smith (ice hockey)#Confusion over talk pages. Andrewa (talk) 03:42, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

CASH line in my sandbox

I see that you wish to exercise your admin powers. :-) I know you are an admin now and you can go ahead and do so, but I would ask that you not be a bully. I disagree on your interpretation. I had seen a sandbox page like this elsewhere in Wikipedia. I believe that in my space I am allowed to hold an article that I am working on. I have worked on it since the main-space article was deleted. Actually, I don't recall how to speedy delete it anyway... Alaney2k (talk) 18:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Well I will leave it for now I guess if you are actively working on it, but the history of the page shows that you only worked on it once someone else happened to change something on it. So maybe I was hasty but it does look that you are bouncing it around to avoid it being noticed which is what triggered my notice. And I am sorry if I came off bullying as I was trying to be the exact opposite by warning you before deleting it. Afterall you were asked to remove that page all the way back in the beginning of December. -Djsasso (talk) 18:34, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

sorry about not deleting it before. I really let it slip my mind, that's all. I am working on it for the next while, because some more sources have come up due to the line being named to the all-star game together. If I delete it, can I re-create it in my space without it being a problem? I think they are notable and I will propose the article in the future for consideration. But it is difficult to edit on my own pc. The edit by someone else was just me, not logged in. Alaney2k (talk) 18:52, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

It's no problem, I will leave it alone as a work in progress for now :) The All-star game is cool for them I must admit. -Djsasso (talk) 18:53, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I've thought it over and put the request on it to be speedy deleted. If it's not you, someone else will be miffed by it being there. I've made a personal copy. Alaney2k (talk) 19:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Hockey navbox trouble

Just posted this on the Assistance VP, but thought you might know the trick. Wikipedia:Village pump (assistance)#Navbox_trouble. - Rjd0060 (talk) 22:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure, I could probably figure it out but I am busy with something at work right now. A faster way to find out might be User:Flibirigit, as I think he knows a fair amount about them. I will play with it later if you don't get an answer first. -Djsasso (talk) 22:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I've left Flibirigit a note. Thanks for your help. I played with it for about 1/2 hr and then gave up. - Rjd0060 (talk) 22:39, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Just thought I'd let you know that I still can't get this fixed. Whenever you have a few minutes....Thanks - Rjd0060 (talk) 04:31, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

DRV Note

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Wargames Research Group. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. --Aloysius the Gaul (talk) 03:25, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Thunder Bay, Ontario Reversion RE: Circulation numbers

The 48,000 number for TBSource is given out by the paper (printed on the front, I think?), but I haven't gotten a copy of it in years, so who knows if it's truth, right? Just to let you know! :P vıdıoman (talk • contribs) 16:10, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, wouldn't be a independant source then. But either way, it just seemed to me to be an attempt to advertise. -Djsasso (talk) 16:54, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Dougall Media (the owners) are pretty aggressive sometimes. Do you know of any sources that would list circulation numbers? The one I found for Chronicle-Journal is a bit questionable, and their website doesn't even say. (Which is unusual for a newspaper but I guess since it is the only daily they don't have to?) vıdıoman (talk • contribs) 19:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Normie Kwong and the Flames

Reason I added in that part about Normie Kwong is that according to the team history page, Kwong was part of the original consortium of Calgary businessmen fronted by Skalbania. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blueboy96 (talk • contribs) 19:27, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes he was, except that Skalbania bought the team on his own first. And then sold part of it to the other local businessmen. When the flames were originally bought it was not bought by the group, it was bought by him singlely. -Djsasso (talk) 19:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm ... when did Hotchkiss, Kwong et al buy in--before or after Skalbania made the initial offer to Cousins? The way the Flames history page sounds, the businessmen were already part of the ownership group when the deal closed. Blueboy96 19:47, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Skalbania bought the team on his own, then flipped half of the ownership to the local group before the first sale was even announced. He then sold his remaining share by the end of 1981. Ownership formally went from Cousins to Skalbania to the local group. Resolute 22:13, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Ahh beat me too it. -Djsasso (talk) 22:41, 25 January 2008 (UTC)