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[edit] Karanka

Please see Talk:Aitor_Karanka and Wikipedia:Only_make_links_that_are_relevant_to_the_context. DR31 (talk) 20:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] atletico & talk pages

hey, cheers for pointing out that info about the correct word to use :) You should note however to leave messages on people's talk page rather than their user page (you put it on both i notice :P) no worries though mate, easy mistake to make... aLii 00:09, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Stade Toulouse

If you re-read the intro, it says that Stade Tolouse were formed out of the rugby section of a sports club. I think the chances of that sports club having a soccer team are very high.GordyB 12:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Javier Clemente

Really can't see any reason to remove the part on Clemente's current appointment. Of all the text, only half of a sentence says that Serbia and Montenegro played in the World Cup. The rest is clearly related to Clemente and is absolutely relevant. I'll write it again, maybe slightly different, but this section is at the moment, I think, more important than the sections on his previous appointments and it should exist. Vitriden 23:25, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Liverpool F.C. Reserves

I think that the recent addition of the infobox is a good idea, as is the move to the new article name. However, I think the text could be made a little clearer, and I have just attempted an edit of it. With regards to moving the article, the page you get when you wish to move an article CLEARLY STATES that you should check for and correct double redirects. I won't shift it back again, but please, if you want to move a page, make sure you have the time and the inclination to do the associated legwork too. Robotforaday 20:25, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] FC Barcelona

Hi Djln, good to see you still around and still working to maintain and improve the quality of the FC Barcelona article. The original menace is quieter these days, although he still pops up to replace his "Predecessor of UEFA Cup" every now and then. No idea why that means so much to him, but I think s/he probably doesn't either. I guess it is stubbornness.

That new "information" that keeps getting added to the trophies section is similar...it makes no sense but the heels are really dug in.

Anyway, keep up the good work.

--Bcnviajero 20:26, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

It seems that the person pushing the excessive information in the trophies section is in fact the same individual as last time. The use of "spotless" would appear to be confirmation. --Bcnviajero 07:45, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1902 Cup

  • 1902 Cup won by Vizcaya not Athletic, check official statistics: Athletic 23 Cups not 24

http://www.segundosfuera.com/futbol/palmares/espana/copa_del_rey.html

http://www.marca.com/futbol/coparey0506/palmares.html

http://www.elfutbolin.com/copadelrey/palmares.asp

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_del_Rey

http://www.nuestrozaragoza.com/historia/palmares/palmares_copa_rey.html

83.1992.2006



[edit] Liverpool F.C. Reserves nominated for deletion

Hi there. The Liverpool F.C. Reserves article has been nominated for deletion. We've debated in the past about the organisation of content there, of course, but I'd hope we're both agreed that it is useful to have information about the Reserves there, and it would be unsustainable to merge all the information there onto the main article, as has been proposed. I am so far the only person arguing for keep in the afd debate, and I'd be very grateful if you'd offer your support for the article's continued existance. Robotforaday 18:37, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

See here about tally boxes (note I didn't start it) this is the sole reason I removed it.

Please take things a bit easier. I'm not looking to annoy or offend but improve wikipedia. If you look in Liverpool F.C. talk I have given a lot of suggestions about getting it to featured article status and I strongly believe this is really holding it back. Sounds mad for an Evertonian but I kind of like Liverpool. SenorKristobbal 23:15, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Just noticed your huge bold banner at the bottom of the deletion discussion page — it made me laugh :)
I commend your enthusiasm, but unfortunately the politics of matters such as this need to be dealt with in a slightly calmer fashion...
My guess is that both the Reserves and even the Academy articles are going to get a stay of execution, but both articles need a lot of work to get to an acceptable standard. Hopefully this can be done in such a way that even our friend SenorKristobbal thinks they are worth keeping. I think the main problem people have is that they don't want to set a precedent and therefore allow lots of poor/pointless articles about reserve teams (See Manchester United F.C. Reserves). This is understandable, and as such one has to look at both sides of the argument. My advice to you is to try and restrain yourself a little from the petty arguments, even if the other person is also being petty and stupid. Have a look over my talk page, you'll see that I've made plenty of similar mistakes to yours. The trick is to learn from them :)
cheers, aLii 14:19, 7 September 2006 (UTC)



[edit] Category:Ireland national football team (FAI)

I moved this discussion to Category talk:Football in Ireland#IFA and FAI international teams, added comments, and posted notices on the 3 projects as I had originally advised. Please add further comments to the Category talk:, not here or on my Talk: page. Thanks, jnestorius(talk) 01:23, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit to Jack Reynolds (footballer)

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[edit] En3?

born in Ireland and 15 years in the Uk and still an "advanced" level of english? aren't you a bit tough on yourself? :P —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.99.124.158 (talk) 00:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] You Screwed up the Golden Team Article

I put months into the Golden Team article Djln, and I understand that you took a few a days to completely wreck it Djln. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gallopingmajor (talk • contribs) 05:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Where did Steve Bloomer die?

Hi David. I'm actually working on relaunching the Steve Bloomer article for the German wikipedia and I noticed that you did an excellent job here for the English version. Therefore I wanted to know whether you are sure that Bloomer really died in Derby, because I found some (quite unverfiyable information: [1]) that he possible died in Paris instead. Do you know something more specific about the circumstances of his death? Kind regards --Vince2004 16:32, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FC Barcelona trophy section

Hi there Djln. It has been a while since the last appearance of our "spotless edits" friend. I wanted to leave you a message about the changes you reverted to the FC Barcelona trophies section. At first I wasn't convinced by the categorisation by "International", "Spanish", "Catalan" etc that someone added, but then I looked at it again and thought it worked. You have mentioned in your edit notes that you think it is clearer organised by importance, but that means that the Cup Winners' Cup, for example, is a long way from the European Cup and it just seems to be a blur of information. It seems to me that the general order of importance is as in the other version, and is much more usable. Anyway, take another look and see if you agree. --Bcnviajero 17:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tercera División - Groups

My friend, until the last year, the groups were: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15A,15B,16 and 17. The group 15A was for Navarra and the 15B for La Rioja. This season, the 2006-2007 season, the groups 15 dissapear and is created two new groups, 15 for Navarra and 16 for La Rioja, completely formed by Navarrese teams and Riojan teams respectively. --RaySe 21:22, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edwin Dutton

Hi! I've got some more information about the player you requested. Because I'm not a native English speaker, I think it's better if you put it into the English Wikipedia article. Okay, here we go: Edwin Dutton is the son of sport pioneer Paul Dutton, who introduced football (as well as cricket later on) to Berlin (he did further in the town of Wrocław (or German: "Breslau") again). Edwin, who was born in Mittenwalde, went to school in Berlin and started playing football for Britannia 92 and later joined BFC Preussen, where we was an attacking player on the right side. His abilties were so impressive, that he was asked on April 4th, 1909 to play for the German national team in Budapest against Hungary (which ended 3:3), although he was of foreign citizenship (in the meantime another "second" German national team played against Switzerland in Karlsuhe at the same day). Because of unorthodoxly and sometimes capriciously selection criteria in the early German national team a second cap didn't happen for Dutton. In the season 1909/10 he played in a quarterfinal loss of BFC Preussen against Holstein Kiel, which was his only match in a final round for the German championship. In his later years he went to England where he played for the professional football club Newcastle United for a longer period of time.. I took these information (and translated them freely) from this book. Regards --Vince2004 16:35, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestion for use of Liverpool F.C. reserves in infoboxes

I would suggest that LFC Reserves should only be linked to in the youthclubs box - and then piped so that the link simply says Liverpool. Where a player has Liverpool in the main club list - i.e. anyone who has had a squad number or (if predating squad numbers) have been involved in the first-team squad. I think overuse of links to the reserve team would suggest to people that they are, or were, a separate league team like Real Madrid Castilla. ArtVandelay13 13:09, 27 December 2006 (UTC)



[edit] Panathinaikos: Titleless departments not listed

Hello.Before the departments break-up, there used to be a list with all the team's departments and their establishment year.After the break-up this list has vanished and only the departments that have won titles are mentioned.Which was a big mistake and unfair for the rest.And there are pretty important ones like our water polo team.I've checked the edits history and i think that you are the one that decided to remove this list, so i think you should find a way of readding the info that's missing in a way that fits the new layout.Thanks. ;)

PS: I thought you were Greek or what?Do you support Panathinaikos?

Nevermind.Fixed it myself...

[edit] Thanks for letting me know

Hi and thanks for letting me know on my talk page that you've answered my query on the Catalonia national football team talk page. Well, I suppose I must have been mistaken (and it wasn't a memorable match anyway). Cheers Moravice 15:53, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Club Vizcaya

If Club Vizcaya is a team made up of players from Athletic Club and Bilbao FC and in 1903 these two clubs merged as Athletic Club Bilbao... HOW IS POSSIBLE THAT CLUB VIZCAYA PLAYED THE 1907 CUP FINAL AGAINST Real Madrid ?????? Check your sources. --81.44.115.115 21:46, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gyula Lóránt

Thank you for your addition of an article about this great European footballer. It was needed! Regards, ChaChaFut 23:44, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arbitration request

As you may have seen, the Arbitration Committee decided not to hear the case you recently filed. Several of the arbitrators recommended that you pursue other forms of dispute resolution if you and other editors on the page are not able to resolve the editing issue on your own. You might want to consider obtaining a third opinion on this issue. Good luck. Regards, Newyorkbrad 20:25, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jack Reynolds (1869-1917)

Hi - I note that you have reverted the re-ordering of the article to undo my edits in February. It seems to me that your recent edit summary contradicts what you have actually done. i.e. the opening paragraph should be a brief overdue of his life and achievements with the actual career history following in approximately chronological order.

You now have the contents half way through the article (rather like an American TV programme), whereas they ought to come straight after the first paragraph. I think that the opening paragraph should stop after the reference to winning the double in 1897 and the remainder of the second paragraph should be merged back into the career history.

Best wishes. Daemonic Kangaroo 17:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Archie Goodall

Updated DYK query On 2 April 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Archie Goodall, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 00:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ireland Results

What did you do with all of the pre-2000 results? They are gone. EDIT: Nevermind, I found it

[edit] Rudolph Nickolsburger

I have seen your edits on this article, and having done some research for the German language Wikipedia on the former Hakoah Vienna players who played in the US (like Erno Schwarcz, Leopold Drucker or Jozsef Eisenhoffer) I would like to point out a few things:

  • Nickolsburger started his career at Ferencvárosi TC, but he didn't stay there until 1925. He left Budapest in 1922 to join Makkabi Brno in Czechoslovakia, a club that was unique, as it's team consisted almost exclusively of Hungarian Jews.
  • He joined Hakoah Vienna in March 1927, most likely coming from Italy, but I didn't find out much more about this other than the RSSSF-link that you included. The point is, he wasn't with Hakoah Vienna on their first US tour in 1926 with Guttmann, so he didn't decide to stay at this time. Hakoah Vienna's second US tour took place in April/May 1927 and Nickolsburger was signed shortly before this tour and he played in several games on the tour, scoring twice against the NY Giants. After that he returned to Vienna and started the 1927/28 season with the Vienna club. I have found no information on what he did in 1928 prior to joining NY Hakoah.
  • He didn't end his playing career in 1931, but also played in the abandoned spring ASL season of 1932, his last game of which I was able to find a record of was on June 12, 1932 against the Bohemian Americans, but there may have been even later games.

Regards, --80.108.121.206 20:32, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Billy Walsh

Point of note. Walsh played for the Ireland national football team (IFA) as distinct from Northern Ireland national football team. It is a common error to mix these two teams up. If you read the former article it will help clarify any confusion. Djln. --Djln 23:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I was just following what the source article said. I've just had a nice email arrive from the IFA (I think :) ) "W. Walsh played for Ireland (as we were known then) on five occasions in 1948 (3 matches) and 1949 (2 matches)". I'll add an infobox as an apology :) --Bedders 10:45, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Satesclop

User:Satesclop is doing it again. Badagnani 17:38, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alex Stevenson

Hi, I've nominated an article you worked on, Alex Stevenson, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the "hook" for the article at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created on April 21 where you can improve it if you see fit. Regards, howcheng {chat} 06:40, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 25 April 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Alex Stevenson, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Carabinieri 21:33, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GAA players

Sorry to say but i just don't know , I've check what resources i have and cant confirm that for you sorry. (Gnevin 07:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Dermot Gallagher

Hi. Well done for adding the very relevant and important info about his birthplace and nationality. I had no idea. I have entered the birthplace in the lead to the article, and found a reference to back it up to keep it troll-proof. Thanks. Ref (chew)(do) 22:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

That's a very notable entry, there aren't many refs who get to do their own side, as it were. Just a small point about date linking though. I've had a conflict over this before, and all the admins I have consulted say 'go by the letter of MoS', which allows and encourages multi-facet (day, month, year) linking to facilitate user preference settings. So I'm afraid any articles on my watchlist are deemed subject to this in my eyes. But thanks for the inestimable good work you've done. Best wishes. Ref (chew)(do) 23:14, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ringsend People

The reason I removed them is that I thought they were not notable. I never heard of them and whoever added them gave no indication who they are/were or why they are notable. Regards (Sarah777 22:49, 2 May 2007 (UTC))

And...ooops! Sorry. (Sarah777 23:02, 2 May 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Liam Tuohy

Great article. Di you use "gifted in green"?--Vintagekits 16:04, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

here the link. Pretty decent if basic enough, some good pictures of players).--Vintagekits 16:18, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arenas Club de Getxo

Hi Djln. The text written by you in one of clauses(articles) [2] In 1920 when Spain made their international debut at the Olympic Games, the squad included two Arenas’ players, Pagazaurtundua and Félix Sesúmaga.

It is necessary to correct and write other player two Arenas’ players, Pagazaurtundua and Pedro Vallana Jeanguenat

Pagazaurtundua [3] Vallana [4]

Félix Sesúmaga the player of club FC Barcelona [5] [6] Gavrilov Sergey 12:20, 23 June 2007 (UTC)Gavrilov Sergey

[edit] 1950 British Home Championship

Thankyou for your interest here. I have no problem changing the flag icon for the 1950 tournament based on your source, but I was wondering whether you could explain a discrepancy. The source I have mainly used in creating these articles is Guy Oliver's Guinness Record of World Soccer [7]. In the Northern Ireland section of this book, it has the following passages: "The Irish Football Association, not to be confused with the Football Association of Ireland which rules the game in the Republic, until 1923 controlled football throughout the island of Ireland". Following the civil war and partition of the Irish FA into the above organisations, "A meeting of the four British associations in 1923 decided to recognise the [new] Dublin association, but ordered that clubs located in within the six provinces should rejoin the association in Belfast." The passage then goes on to say "Irish football was split into two camps although it was not until 1948 that the North abstained from selecting players for the national side who were from the South." In the following statistics, the line between united Ireland matches and Northern Ireland follows a 3-0 victory over Wales on the 14-4-1923. The next match, on the 20-10-1923 against England is listed as being Northern Ireland.

Clearly there are some major discrepancies here. Firstly the book I have been using sets the dividing line clearly between the 1923 and 1924 Home Championships and not in 1948, 1949 or 1950. It seems to imply that irregardless of where the selected players came from, the team they represented was the Northern Ireland side governed by the IFA from Belfast. After some searching on the FIFA website I found nothing to clear this up from them and predictably the two Irish association do not even slightly agree with one another; the IFA loosely claim the split came in 1921 [8] whilst the FAI indicate 1950 as the date [9]. The passage in Oliver's book also clearly states that the split was in 1948 not 1950, presumably because was enacted in the run up to the 1950 World Cup, and not during the qualification for it. It doesn't really make sense to change a team's selection policies in the middle of a qualification campaign which began in the autumn of 1949, but if it did happen then please inline source it to where the information came from.

I'm not suggesting that you are wrong necessarily, just that this is something of an extreme inconsistancy which should be resolved. On a related note, I noticed sometime ago that you had copy and pasted a passage from Ireland national football team (IFA) over the introduction of 1914 British Home Championship. Whilst on reflection my original text may have been unfair to Ireland, your edit unbalanced the article rather more in the opposite direction. If you don't like something in an introduction then by all means reword it, but pasting the point of view of one team over a section intended for all four is probably not the way to go about it. If you take major exception then please discuss your points as you have done so here. Thankyou for your contribution and information. All the best.--Jackyd101 05:48, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I have been looking more closely at your edits to the above titular article and I have noticed a problem. You have removed all mention of the other three nations involved in the tournament and focused solely on the Northern Ireland team's progress, which was less than spectacular. By all means discuss the significance of the division of the Irish team, but removing all mention of the tournament's progression or the achievements of the other teams seems inappropriate. I'm editing this comment to add that I'll add a paragraph on the progression myself, but please make sure to give all teams fair weighting in future.--Jackyd101 05:53, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok, you seem to know more about this than I do so I'll take your word for it and keep up to 1950 with the team icons you used. Thankyou for clearing this up. --Jackyd101 19:39, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your comment

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[edit] Rangers

Presumably Alex Stevenson and the two other Irish internationals were Protestants? (Joe Lapira is very much a Catholic) Millbanks 22:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Manchester United F.C. seasons

This article is now a Featured List candidate. Please feel free to leave your comments at the candidacy page. - PeeJay 01:29, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rafa Benitez

What was up with his playing stats? A lack of a source? - Dudesleeper · Talk 13:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reg Ryan

Hi, was just wondering why you removed the citation from Reg Ryan? Did you delete it in error? Thanks. --Jameboy 22:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, I think it is good practice, especially as full names of older players aren't always easy to track down: at least by quoting a source it is transparent, especially in the event of a dispute over the information. Also I'm planning to cite more facts from the same book in this article, so please don't remove the reference. If possible, could you also add some in-line citations from your sources, as I might then be able to help you fill in any gaps. Cheers. --Jameboy 23:22, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
That's cool, I'll see if I can add anything to those articles as well, when I get around to it. Another reason I just remembered for putting that citation in was because it seemed a slightly odd middle name for someone called Reg (although middle names are often weird), and I didn't want to get accused of vandalism. Anyway, I've moved the main citation details for the book further down, so if anyone does decide to take out the full name reference it won't really matter. --Jameboy 23:47, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Joe Bacuzzi

I see that you have reverted the changes I made to the article you started. I think that you are wrong - the wartime matches have no official status; they are not listed on the FA's website[10], nor is Bacuzzi listed as a former England player. To try to get a consensus on this, I have put a query on the WP Football talk page. --Daemonic Kangaroo 15:28, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Joe Bacuzzi

Hi - thanks for your note. I've removed him as an Arsenal player since as far as I can tell, he was only a trialist. My copy of PFA Premier and Football League Players Records say he played for Tufnell Park and Fulham while my copy of Arsenal Who's Who does not list him (nor does it mention him as an Arsenal player in the entry for his son, David). Since there's no evidence he ever signed any kind of contract or played anymes at any level with Arsenal it's probably best that he's dropped from the category. Qwghlm 11:51, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CfD nomination of Category:Shamrock Rovers managers

I have nominated Category:Shamrock Rovers managers (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) for renaming to Category:Shamrock Rovers F.C. managers (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. BencherliteTalk 00:01, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 1950 World Cup

Hi - thanks for the response to my query. Next time I'll read the whole article. Sorry. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 17:56, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ireland/Northern Ireland

I've started a thread on the historic article Talk:Ireland_national_football_team_(IFA)#This_Article, I know you have put a lot of good work into it, but it's undefined remit is making editing the main article a pain. It would be appreciated if you could bring any ideas you have on furthering the two articles to the discussion Fasach Nua (talk) 12:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I've undone your edit to NI, but not to Ire, I think any major changes are premature, and I would like the discussion to run its course before anything is committed Fasach Nua (talk) 17:42, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I think the merger proposal was brought about a bit prematurely, but now it's there we have to deal with! I think three editors is too few to decide something like this, the proposal has been raised in the four wikiproject under which the articles are written, I can't really think of a way to bring more editors into the discussion Fasach Nua (talk) 20:28, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I have undone your most recent edits to these artticles, and left a note at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Irish_football_merges Fasach Nua (talk) 11:44, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
I think we can both agree that the Ireland article needs a broader input, and I welcome your idea demonstrated at Wikipedia:Third opinion, my one concern would be that we shouldnt decide anything before the new year, most editors likely to be interested in this topic would tend to be doing other things during the festive season, I would hope things would be on a better footing by the middle of next week Fasach Nua (talk) 23:02, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for posting this to arbitration, it's the wrong forum, but the general idea is right. Can you hold off posting to mediation for a bit, Padraig may bring a fresh perspective to this article which we may all be able to work with Fasach Nua (talk) 13:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
I can't say how glad I am that you would support a move to (-1950), I think it would sort so many problems. I really cant see any major conflicts if that move was adopted. I got a really good photo of a mural in Belfast showing the Ireland team, I just need to check if it falls upder Freedom of Panorama Fasach Nua (talk) 18:19, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I've followed WP:BE BOLD and moved the page (dont be afraid to undo if you object) Fasach Nua (talk) 21:18, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I've been tidying up the refs, number 8, seems to be from ryan's book, could you double check? Fasach Nua (talk) 22:04, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

This might interest you [11], but it will only be on iplayer for another 2 days Fasach Nua (talk) 09:31, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ROI football team

I've noticed you seem to have a problem with my edits to the introduction. As I have explained in my edit summary, I've been trying improve the use of language in the intro and while keep as much information in there as possible not bogging it down with detailed facts that are already elsewhere. Rather than just saying "the other one is better" could you please be a bit more constructive with your reasoning? Thanks. Dan K (talk) 19:26, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

PS - As for the geography comment, as noted at varoius points across Wiki, there is no state called the Republic of Ireland, although I'm not overly fussed if the ROI football article refers to the state Ireland as ROI or not - I was simply trying to make it more accurate.
I know it removes the detail of that particular match precisely because it is mentioned lower down. The result is too much detail for an achievement which doesn't rank all that highly compared to reaching a World Cup (the link is included later on). As for you saying "Changes in the teams name and teams achievements should be included in opening pars" that is EXACTLY what my edits did do. Most importantly though my edits were aimed at improving the use of language in the intro. Seeing as you just keep reverting rather than amending I can't help but think you just want your own version to be the one that is used rather than trying to actually improve it. Dan K (talk) 19:53, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, the link was already in place later on in the article, but I've now amended the intro again, this time including the link. If you still have a problem with what I'm trying to do, I ask that you try and explain what is wrong with it other than just saying your version is better and reverting it. That way we can actually sort something out that everyone is happy with. Dan K (talk) 23:58, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dual Irish international footballers

I would draw your attention to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (flags), in particular, Wikipedia:Manual of Style (flags)#Do_not_rewrite_history, but otherwise a fine article Fasach Nua (talk) 10:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your recent edits

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[edit] ROI results lists

Hi. Thanks for the heads-up recently regarding the under-threat lists of results for the Republic's national team. Although I did not in fact contribute in the past, I am convinced of their notability when compared to similar efforts produced for other nationalities, and therefore campaigned Keep. Best wishes. Ref (chew)(do) 00:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Ireland national football team (IFA)

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[edit] Fall River Rovers player category

I noticed you've been deleting this category from various player's articles. I think you are doing it on the assumption that the Rovers were the same team as the Fall River United and Fall River Marksmen. I'm not sure that's a good assumption. Despite the claims in Wikipedia that Fall River Rovers and Fall River United are the same team, I can find no support for that claim. However, I found this quote in Ralph Caraffi's Hall of Fame profile, "Later in 1921 when the Fall River United club was formed to play in the new American Soccer League he spent one season with them."[12] That leads me to believe that United was formed as a "United" Fall River team and was not the Rovers with a new name. On the other hand, I know that United and the Marksmen were the same team under different ownership. Do you have any support linking the Rovers and United? Mohrflies (talk) 14:52, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi. The message about mergers was supposed to be up here. However, I meant it wherever applicable. There are a number of instances where team pages could be combined. I mentioned it to Mohrflies as well since he makes a lot of team pages. Libro0 (talk) 21:38, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Footballers who served in the RAF

Hi, noticed you've added this category to Billy Hughes (footballer born 1918). I don't doubt you're right about his military service, but as no existing references in the article seem to mention the RAF specifically, I wonder whether you might add a reference to confirm. As I'm sure you're aware, categories need verifiable sources just like any other section of an article. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 22:06, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] March 2008

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. Thank you. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 22:36, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary, which wasn't included with your recent edit to Peter Harris (footballer). Thank you. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 22:37, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary, which wasn't included with your recent edit to Tommy O'Connor. Thank you. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 22:38, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary, which wasn't included with your recent edit to England v Ireland (1949). Thank you. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 22:38, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary, which wasn't included with your recent edit to Peter Desmond. Thank you. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 22:39, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] CfD nomination of Category:Footballers who served in the British Army

Category:Footballers who served in the British Army and Category:Footballers who served in the RAF, which you created, have been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. – Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:47, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DRV

You might want to fix your entry at DRV, as well as give links to the correct categories (Category:Footballers who served in the British Army and Category:Footballers who served in the RAF) and the CFD discussion itself (Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_April_4#Category:Footballers_who_served_in_the_British_Army). --Kbdank71 19:23, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Footballers categories

People born pre-partition are not described as "Northern Irish", see WP:IMOS. One Night In Hackney303 22:37, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I could not care less what has been written on a category page, guidelines take precedence. And people are categorised by their country of birth, we don't call people born pre-Israel "Israelis". One Night In Hackney303 22:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Not really relevant. The guidelines take precedence. Feel free to add them to a different cat, but describing them as "Northern Irish" is out. One Night In Hackney303 23:19, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, which is why it doesn't apply to people who were born in Northern Ireland, not people who weren't. Was Julius Caesar Italian? One Night In Hackney303 23:47, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
I am being realistic. You claimed people were categorised based on current countries, I don't see any Italian categories on Caesar do you? As for your other "point", English, Scottish and Welsh exist, they were part of the UK last time I checked? One Night In Hackney303 00:00, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
  • People born in the modern era. I thought that was obvious. Do you want to go all the way back to the cavemen to support your point ? Irish (IFA) internationals from this era already have a seperate category. There is no need to create a new one. You are being ridiculous. Welsh, Northern Irish, English and Welsh players are already in a category for British footballers Djln--Djln (talk) 00:20, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
I really don't care for your attempts at conjecture. The only sensible way to decide how to describe people that avoids arguments like (he lived in Northern Ireland for a few years) is by when they were born. People born pre-paritition are Irish, post-partition are Northern Irish. That's been decided upon and agreed, as it's the only sensible way of doing it as its entirely factual and there's no room for arguments. One Night In Hackney303 00:26, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Could you obey WP:IMOS please. Its there for a reason. --Domer48 (talk) 16:49, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tom Williams (footballer)

Hi, I was wondering why you removed the Category:English-born footballers who played for Cyprus from Mr Williams, and then blanked the category? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I see you've blanked many similar categories. If you are interested in deleting them, please see WP:CFD. --Kbdank71 17:27, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Depends if said categories are (almost) empty due to a genuine lack of candidates to go in them, or just that articles haven't been fully categorised. Would have thought it's something to discuss rather than taking a unilateral decision, though. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 19:01, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Hence the request to take these to WP:CFD. Empty categories can be dealt with, but almost empty ones need to be discussed, not blanked. Blanking categories serves nothing but to clutter category space. --Kbdank71 19:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A reminder about civility

Please remember to abide by the WP:CIVIL guidelines when involved in disputes with other editors. Comment on content, not the contributor... these remarks [13][14][15][16]are unacceptable personal attacks on your fellow editors. In order to avoid being blocked for incivility and personal attacks, please refrain from these types of comments in the future. Thank you. ~Eliz81(C) 20:05, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

With the greatest respect in return, I am an administrator and have been entrusted with the ability to carry out blocks. It's wonderful that you've contributed so much to the article space, but that unfortunately gives you no carte blanche when it comes to our civility and no personal attacks policies. If you continue to bait and berate other editors, you will be blocked. ~Eliz81(C) 23:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I understand that it can be so incredibly frustrating to work these things out. Please don't lose heart... one thing that's incredibly helpful I find is to edit articles on things I know less about; it's much much harder when you're really emotionally invested in the topic. I don't have a strong opinion about the debate you're involved in, but I just hope you all can work it out on the talk page. And please let me know if there's anything I can do to help. ~Eliz81(C) 00:38, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jack Reynolds

Hi Djln, firstly apologies for reverting your edit on the dual-nationality page without first questioning your logic, which I have now found out was correct. Secondly, I can see that the Ireland team he played for was the precursor to the Northern team, not Eire, and so have also added him to the Northern Ireland subsection under English nationality. Apologies once again, and many thanks for bringing it to my attention. Kind regards, GiantSnowman (talk) 22:58, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello, me again. Can I just enquire as to why you have removed referenced players on the List of football players with dual nationality page, and replaced them with a see here instead? GiantSnowman (talk) 23:13, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Fair enough, I can see where you're coming from, but I'm going to revert the edit, as the article lists (with references) players with dual nationality, regardless of any international appearances, and as you can only includes a few players from each category. If you disagree then maybe we should start a disussion at WP:FOOTBALL, or on the article talk page. Kind regards, GiantSnowman (talk) 23:26, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
If I could find references for "more notable" players then I would of course include them...GiantSnowman (talk) 23:36, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Sounds like a good compromise; mention the categories but keep the list of referenced players. Good thinking! GiantSnowman (talk) 23:49, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ireland

I dont know if you are keeping up with this, I submitted to GA, and it failed, I have implemented most of the recommendations, and they were right to fail it It is now at peer review, I have complied with most of the suggestions (not dates as I'm lazy), but there is a controversial issue I have raised on the talk page Fasach Nua (talk) 16:30, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Uruguayan footballers

Hi, when you add players to Cat:Uruguayan footballers who played for other national teams please do not delete Cat:Uruguayan footballers they do not stop being Uruguayan because they played for another national team. Cheers EP 22:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Steve Bloomer

I have proposed that Steve Bloomer Statistics, which you created, be merged into Steve Bloomer. I would welcome your comments on this. Cheers. --Jameboy (talk) 13:12, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New Page?

Well your welcome..maybe if there are Netherlands-born footballer who played for other national teams, we could make a new page for them. Ario ManUtd 28 April 2008, 12:14 (UTC) --Ario ManUtd (talk) 05:14, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Club mergers

Regarding mergers. If, for example, a team of all the same players that plays in the same league for 10 years but had 2 or 3 different sponsors over that period IMHO is basically the same franchise. A good example is White Banner Malt or Wellston. Others may not agree. I also think that if teams share a history then that to constitutes one franchise. An example of this could be Robins + Tebo = Todd or even U.C. Sampdoria. This way there are not too many stubs. Plus it would show that teams were not just come and go but actually had a little stability and history. Libro0 (talk) 20:39, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Message

I am leaving the same message in all parties talk pages.

Please read my requests carefully and stick to them. If we're going to have a successful mediation, it is important to do this a stage at a time and not to argue amongst ourselves while the dispute is still fresh and far from resolved.

All I have asked for now is for comments on the proposed paragraph. Please make them in your own area. Thanks. --Dweller (talk) 22:49, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

NB I have created an area for you. --Dweller (talk) 22:49, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Occy

Hey Djln - No problem, credit's due to those that deserve it, well something like that anyway. ;-) As a Crewe fan (don't ask about our season, please ;-)) I'll help ya with anything you'll want to know about his club career at the Alex. To start, I read in one of the site that he was involved in a sex scandal so that may possibly lead us down a road to expand the article, I guess - Perhaps even give it it's own "Controversies" section, I don't know - I'm probably making a big deal out of nothing. I'll find the link so you can give your opinion on the matter.

Seeing as you don't really know your way around all the Alex sites, there are a good few hidden gems that don't really in google searches such as the vital football one, speaking of which I managed to track down the said Sex Scandel item there as well: Link. Anyway, like I said, need any help club wise just drop me a line - By the looks of it, you've got his, IMO, complicated international career all sorted. --Phill talk Edits Review this GA review! 21:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Darron Gibson

Your edits are contrary to the Manual of Style in several ways. Please discontinue your unconstructive editing. – PeeJay 14:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discussions

You really don't need to start the same discussion in three different places. In fact, it could be considered canvassing. Anyway, possibly apart from the flags, my edits were not destructive, so why revert the whole lot? – PeeJay 17:20, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 3rr warning

You have broken WP:3RR, as you have now made four reverts [17][18][19][20] on the removal of the flags. Next time you remove them you will be blocked. пﮟოьεԻ 57 19:24, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Didn't you read the quote I copied from WP:FLAG on WP:FOOTY?
Flags should not be used on sports peoples individual infoboxes
The bit you are referring, "describing sporting nationality", is for squad lists (hence "tables" not infoboxes) on club/national team pages. пﮟოьεԻ 57 19:51, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Manchester United stats

The info is not missing from the corresponding Manchester United article. – PeeJay 19:10, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Use your initiative and be bold. – PeeJay 20:36, 9 June 2008 (UTC)