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Re my deletion of the Somali version of the name from the lead: We don't do that. =p We put in the official languages or, if none exists, then the primary de facto language. United States has it in English; not Spanish, even though that's spoken by 10% of the population. If the official languages are Arabic and French and Somali is still not a majority, then I don't think it should be there. --Golbez 16:32, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

70% Djiboutis are native Somalis, the rest being Afars and others. The cultural and historical language of Djibouti is Somali. The president speaks it in every other official and governmental speech. It may not be in "official languages" category of their constitution, still the vast majority of them speak Somali and are Somali.--Soomaali 11:03, June 5, 2005

Can you cite any other country page that would fit such a criteria? A country where 70% of the natives speak an unofficial language that is mentioned in the lead where there is an official language? --Golbez 20:23, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

Luxembourg is one such country. Official languges: French and German (de facto almost exclusively French). National language: Lëtzebuergesch, spoken by all citizens.

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[edit] Copyright Violation

I don't mean to make the page look ugly, but the text in the Geography section appears to be taken from [1]. It was added by 193.251.143.233. Perhaps someone could rewrite it. [[written on 19:22, 12 Jun 2005 by Mtrisk ]

I've added the previous text to the temp page the copyvio note links to. -- llywrch 21:51, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] What did he say?

"Present at the swearing in ceremony were several regional leaders. Guelleh, in an address during the ceremony, said:"

That's the end of the paragraph, what did he say?

Merick June 29, 2005 20:56 (UTC)

Maybe he said nothing...it would be kinda poignant ;-) JD79 01:27, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Reformatting the page

The infobox should be replaced with a template

[edit] Wrong previous country name !

Please get your facts straight ... Djibouti was never the "former French Somaliland" it was formerly called "Terre des Afars et Issas" and had nothing to do whatsoever with Somaliland ! — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.58.43.208 (talk • contribs) 21:12, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

I believe "Terre des Afars et Issas" (or Territory of the Afars and Issas) was the most recent name until Djibouti became independent. I have a map from circa 1920, on which the area is translated as "Somali Territory - French Colony." The original map is actually in Amharic ("Yesomali ager - Yefarensawie Gezat"). But no, it doesn't explicitly say "French Somaliland" though I remember seeing it referred to as such elsewhere. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 23:17, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Source of Name?

I think a lot of people find interest in Djibouti because of it's unusual name, thus a source of this name would be helpful to those who wish to learn. VarunRajendran

Djibouti has nothing to do with the somali's Djibouti is mostly Afar and it always was, peopel just don't get the whole truth about djibouti,

Ridiculous to said that when the Afars used travel documents to visit Djibouti city. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.139.215.241 (talk • contribs) 09:37, 17 March 2007.

[edit] Date of president's swearing-in?

From the Politics subsection: Ismail Omar Guelleh was on Saturday sworn in for a second and final six-year term as president of the tiny Horn of Africa nation...

Which Saturday? I gather that this happened months ago, or was it actually last Saturday (December 31, 2005)? Either way, it should be changed to the actual date. Dharmabum420 20:44, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] how do people of djibouti live

[edit] arabic of djibouti

i've long been wondering if djibouti has it's own dialect of arabic. it seems logical to me that it would, but i have been unable to find any reference to it. Gringo300 04:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What do you call someone from Djibouti?

The country of Djibouti, its adjectival form, and its demonym(s) are not listed on List of adjectival forms of place names. Do people from Djibouti only self-identify as their ethnicity, or is there a collective name for anyone from Djibouti? If you know, not only would it be a valuable addition to the article, but you could add it to the list mentioned above as well. Thanks. Happy editing! --Cromwellt|talk|contribs 14:32, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Djiboutian (See: Demographics of Djibouti)--Greasysteve13 06:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

You call someone from Djibouti, Djiboutian or Afar

No you can not call them Afar, if you don't want to be killed by Djiboutian-Issa.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.156.214.247 (talk • contribs) 12:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed WikiProject

In my ongoing efforts to try to include every country on the planet included in the scope of a WikiProject, I have proposed a new project on Eastern Africa at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Eastern Africa whose scope would include Djibouti. Any interested parties are more than welcome to add their names there, so we can see if there is enough interest to start such a project. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:24, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

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WTF is going on in the economy section of this article? casts a realy shadow over the rest of it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.233.85.241 (talk • contribs) 00:57, 14 February 2007.

[edit] Joke or error in a sentence?

In the Demographics section, 3rd paragraph, it states "The Somali ethnic component in ya bootie!! is mainly composed of the Issas."

While I think that "in ya bootie!!" may be hilarious, I wasn't expecting to see it and I am guessing it has nothing to do with the article. It made me smile and scratch my head.

Dr Dave 02:38, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Someone fixed it. The article unfortunately is a vandalism magnet since it has a name that rhymes with "bootie". --MarsRover 04:12, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed text from History section

At some point in the last 10 weeks, someone added the following text to the article:

France had colonised it in the early 19th century and renamed it Umunga (previously called Comoros). Independence was claimed once before in 1887 when a local tribe overthrew the 8 permanent soldiers stationed there. Their independence only lasted 3 weeks before they were once again colonised.

While at first glance this appears as if it were plausible (colonial garrisons were quite small, & because of the size of French Somaliland as well as its small population there might have been only 8 soldiers stationed there at some points), the more I thought about it the more I became convinced that it is a hoax. In 1887, the governor of French Somaliland was Léonce Lagarde, who was busy buying munitions & shipping them to Ethiopian Emperor Menelik II. (The Battle of Adowa was only a few years away, and Menelik knew that the Italians had designs on his realm.) Not the Ethiopians, the French or the local inhabitants wanted to disrupt that profitable activity, & had this happened it would have rated a mention in the various histories of the Horn (e.g., "Menelik's military build-up was unforeseeably delayed when a local tribe expelled the garrison in the French colony, and although the colony was quickly recovered, he lost several months in pursuing his armament campaign"). On the off-chance it isn't a hoax, I moved the text here, awaiting the appropriate citations to be provided before this passage is restored. -- llywrch 05:08, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I can say with 99% confidence that it is a hoax. Djibouti wasn't colonized until the late 19th century, and it was never called "Comoros" (the name of an island between N. Madagascar and mainland Africa). — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 08:13, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Demographics

Issas was the youngest son of Dir and his father was known as Madoobe. Dir had four other sons namely Madaweyn Dir(Gurgure, Layiile, Aw Said, and Akisho), Mahe Dir (Isaaq, Bimaal, Gadsan and Sure) and Mandaluug Dir (Gadabuursi). The fifth Dir son was Qaldho Dir.

The Somali ethnic component in Djibouti is mainly composed of the Issas, who form the majority and the Gadabuursi and Isaaq, all of whom are closely related as Dir subclans. The Issas form part of the ciise Madoobe Dir, while the Gadabuursi and Isaaq are part of the Mahe Dir, Mohammed Hiniftire. The Issa Madoobe Dir are divided into two groups:the Abgaal and Dalool which are futher divide into seven sub-clans:Howlgati and Walaaldoon (Makahir, Mahamuud, Iidleh)Uurweeyne (Fiqi and Abdalle), Wardiiq, Hooroone (Habar Walaala and Geelwalaal), Howleh, Fuurlabe (Mahdle, Saahib) and Ceeleeye (Mamaasan and Muuse)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.37.188.66 (talk • contribs) 08:11, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request improvements to culture section

Unfortunately I know nothing about Djibouti or I'd make some improvements myself - so this is a request to someone who knows more: please could you take a look at the culture section. There's something irritating about it. What first got to me were the sweeping generalisations about clothing - which don't stand up when compared to the various photographs on the page. Clearly all men don't wear the clothes described - nor are women's clothes typically brown. And the comparison to a Roman toga bugs me. I get that, but when this comes on top of the other generalisations the article begins to feel like it was written a couple of hundred years ago by the colonising nation. And the sentence "Using their native language, these people can sing or dance a story, acting it out." can't help but add to this feeling. Thanks if someone can respond. Rowmn (talk) 15:19, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Protection

Even though I am not a regular editor of this page, a large amount of vandalism has been going on. The editors of this page might want to request protection against vandals. Meldshal42Hit meWhat I've Done 23:51, 18 April 2008 (UTC)