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Would anyone care to explain the history of this artist and explain the SRPC numbering system?

I'll ask around and maybe look for something written down that I can quote from, but I doubt I'll be able to find anything useful.  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  17:18, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I tried to explain the SRPC system. But without being able to speak Japanese, and with no outside source, I can't interview the guys at SharpnelSound or search through Japanese sources. Being a DJ the history probably extends to other aliases, shows done and releases made prior to the name.--Notmyhandle 05:55, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Song Name?

Where did the song name "Dokudenpa" come from? I've always seen it as "POISON AIR WAVE". Can anyone explain this? I don't understand it unless "ドクデンパ" translates into "Dokudenpa", and SHARPNEL just changed it to "POISON AIR WAVE" for English.- Bkid My talk/Contribs 04:42, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, it is Poison Air Wave since it's a dirty mix of Air Wave; yet the line Dokudenpa is sung within the song and using Google Language Tools it translates ドクデンパ it into Romanji in the form of "Dokudenpa". The name is also present within the stepfile/song that was used in the Keyboard Megapack that once was easily found for Stepmania; when the file is played it shows as Poison Air Wave. --Notmyhandle 05:09, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, the only way I've ever seen it as Dokudenpa was from Stepmania, but I don't ever remember it showing up IN stepmania as Poison Air Wave. Well I guess it could go either way then, but maybe add Poison Air Wave just in case? - Bkid My talk/Contribs 05:10, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
The romanization of "ドクデンパ" would be dokudenpa, but if written in kanji as 毒電波 (Also pronounced dokudenpa) you could translate it to poison air wave. - Anstalt 14:29, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
How is Poison Air Wave a dirty mix of Air Wave 08 if Poison Air Wave got published/released first? Well, I suppose it's possible, just seems like out of order. 24.160.135.160 (talk) 09:42, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources (Song clips)

Please add needed sources to this thread

  • In the song Shihen, there is a female voice singing in Japanese in the first 1/3 of the song. If identified, please add to the source list.--Notmyhandle 05:58, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
  • I'll work on deciphering bits of Shihen tomorrow...I got a lot of Gate of Dreams and Solitude Sun deciphered, or so I thought, as Googling the romaji was no help. The problem is, for me, it has to be major anime, major enough to have romaji lyrics online...it's hard for me to type Japanese, and kanji is out of the question.[User:onReload]
Shihen is already stated as from Uta Kata. Not only the sung part is from that series but also the dialogue in the beginning of the track. The dialogue is from the last episode I believe. Also, maybe you could post the deciphered text of Gate of Dreams and Solitude Sun so others could have a go at finding the source. Anstalt 15:42, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
  • While trying to figure out where I recognized the a portion of the vocals in the track Sacoree (By Bqr, not DJ Sharpnel, but featured on one of his CDs) I found the thread which is linked below, that contains tons of information regarding his sources. I'm not sure if the information should be added in a table, or if the section should be removed. In the meantime I'm going to go ahead and add the thread to the external links section. http://keternal.pestermom.com/kbbs/thread.php?postid=8410 DarkProdigy 05:05, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Could someone please figure out the sources for the song MOONEARTH off Bewitching (Nousatsu) Hardbreaks? It starts with laughter, and an (assumed) anime character addressing (Minna-san) onReload
  • Does anyone know the sources for the samples used in the DJ Sharpnel songs "Gate of Dreams" and "Solitude Sun" from the album, Mad Breaks? Both are Japanese sources, most probably from some anime series (unique for each sample).206.211.205.142 18:24, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Note to all you guys. I'll get cracking on any requests. I been really chugging down anime, but it seems a lot of people have beat me to references. In any case, I happened to find an ass load of sample in the albums 0001-0007. I'll post them, but keep in mind these are still ones of my original work. I'll at least post it *here* what I find, and leave it up to someone else to post it. I don't want too many more (if any) edits about sources, because it's against wiki code. Dark Ragnarok 07:27, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] HARTMANS CLAP

Changed to HARTMANS CRAP, since that's what it is. :) - Bkid My talk/Contribs 05:23, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Why did you post in the talk page then? If it's non-debatable you just make the change, maybe citing a reference on the page or in the summary. I think I added that song and my reference was from one of the radio playlists at hardrave.jp; which is in no way accurate title wise (as I've come to learn). --Notmyhandle 08:52, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
It's actually Hartman's Clap as noted on the CD Notes, viewable in the reference. Also note that Jea is often concious of errors like these, such as with the song I Rave You. --Notmyhandle 22:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Yea, the CD labels it with an "l" and not an "r", however some titles, actually more specifally, the tracks and albums listed in the Yonderdome album, trade out the "l" for "r". Like Endress Summer instead of Endless Summer or Metaric-A- instead of Metalic-A-. I'm not sure if it's a Japanese/English pronunciation deal or not. --Dark Ragnarok 00:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources, the Wikipedia Crack Down

Most contributors probably don't understand this, so it must be stated. First of all, please read Wikipedia:Attribution if you have no idea. The main point applicable to this article and especially the sources (which are by far the least important part of the article) is that of No Original Research, Unsourced material and Original Research. Thus until any new sources can be brought to light, all non-sourced samples will be removed by me. If by the end of April no sources can be found for the current samples, non-sourced samples will be deleted as well. --Notmyhandle 00:45, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I totally agree on every aspect, but about half of my contributions on the sources were all mentioned on this page http://keternal.pestermom.com/kbbs/thread.php?postid=8410 However, this site is now down and the references are lost. Any idea of what to do? --Anstalt 10:30, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree to the above with one concern. I attributed about 5-7 song references based on my own research. For example after watching Fruits Basket I noticed that the 1st episode where you hear a high pitched frequency and the girls dialogue was like that in the song Posion Air Wave {Dokudepna]. When I listened to W@rez my friend recognized the melody and said it was from Donkey Kong. I went on youtube and compared the 2 melodies and they matched, as well as with Twinbee and ICQ. Ghost Ghost sounds already like a Ghost in the Shell reference, and if you play the song and listen carefully, you'll hear Mitoko's voice very distictively. If i remember correctly I even hear the name Mitoko. But i could be wrong. For the song 20031023, I also distinctly heard the name Asuna-San in dialogue which is taken from the anime series Mahou Sensei Negima. The list goes on, but does that mean I can't post my own research? I can provide lots of links and even take the time to show the individual clips from the songs and anime parts as further proof, but I'm not entirely sure where to post all this. --Dark Ragnarok 00:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
The problem is 1)noting every source for every song is NOT within the scope of wikipedia; the sections should be removed except for the 3 songs that have references and they should be integrated into a more generalized info section, probably at the top of the page to remove any compendium like original research from happening. I know it sucks, if you're interested there is an electronic music wiki (albeit new/unpopular) at http://electronicmusic.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page so you can dump info there if you like. 2) The fact that it is original research also means it shouldn't be here, even if it is fact. That's wikipedia, and you'll have to abide by its policies. Since the forum reference no longer exists, well first I'd say it wasn't a very notable source to begin with, and second of all, well its dead so it doesn't count. --Notmyhandle 21:52, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Ah, that makes sense. Well, in computer class i was working on my own sharpnel dedicated expo where it would actually lsit the souces with wiki's help. I was going to have all the albums listed and all the songs for the pre versions and final pressed cds listed and everything. i actually have it about half done. I could just make a free forum on ezboards or the like and let the listing continue there. I wonder if there's any real info besides song referneces we can post about sharpnel. At one point i contacted the manager of a sharpnel fan based myspace profile, who claims he met Jea and Lemmy and he gave me some info about how they work in Japan and stuff. the fan based one i knew got delted over time, but every once in ahwile i still talk to him. Once i find a way to export those references someplace else it can be used, then i'll even remove the section myself. Thx for the clarification. --Dark Ragnarok 01:41, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
I went ahead and dumped it at http://electronicmusic.wikia.com/wiki/DJ_Sharpnel; note that people like you should help get that wiki going, it would really help in allowing information to be listed of non-notable artists as well... Anyways if you want information on DJ Sharpnel, why don't you just email Jea (jea@sharpnel.com)? --Notmyhandle 03:18, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, i'm not fluent in japanese, and i'm not sure how much english they know. But hell i'll find out. XD. might as well add to wiki if i can. As far as music goes though, me and my friends, and others are total techno junkies. We all have our preferences, and so far i like the most hardcore of them, but they all have their artists they love like my love for sharpnel. I'll get them to help out. Thx for that tho ^^. --Dark Ragnarok 00:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possible Vague Message?/Real name of Zenon

I noticed that in the J-Core Revolution album, that the song recognized as "Zenon/Zephon" is not named as so. It's called "yoon". I put this word in a romaji to kanji translator (http://spencer.blackmarket.net/) and the result was "よおん". I placed this in the google language tools translator and the result came out as "It Is". If you look at the tracks previous and after this track the order would go "Songs", "It is", "For You" respectively, or possibly all together in a whole sentence "Songs are for you". Coincidence? Now on the matter of the real name of "zenon", when translated into kanji it is "ゼノン" and Zephon won't translate to anything. On the Sharpnel site, the track for "zenon" on the album "PPPH" is "世音" and the google translation of that is "World Sound", the same title as in the album "Sharpnelsound Collection Vol. 1" for the same song. Whenever I translate kanji/romaji from Sharpnel I notice that some of their tracks are the closest possible romaji to the original English name (ei: the English name "Yonderdome" is equivalent to the romaji "Yondadomu" which is derived from the kanji on the album itself). So one could speculate that Zenon is the romaji of the English name Zephon, since "ph" is not a Japanese phonetic sound. However, even if the song references the Anime/manga "RahXephon", I am not aware of any sources that have Zenon/Zephon as a track name. Only PPPH and Sharpnelsound collection Vol. 1 have the tracks on CD. I seen torrents with the name Zenon/Zephon, also in SM packs, and even the CDDB Winamp database has it, but I don't think any official work of Sharpnel cites that. On another note, some translators will switch "x" for "z" or vice versa hence some translations vary like "Zenon/Xenon" -Dark Ragnarok 23:20, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Cool discovery. The yoon thing works better if you leave it out of the track listing, i.e. songs for you, but yeah, too bad we can't safely put stuff like that on Wikipedia. Also check out Zephon on Wikipedia. Did you ever get a response from Jea? --Notmyhandle 07:20, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I've been meaning to do that. I lost track of that, been busy, but I think I'll go ahead and do the email today and wait for a response.
Edit: @NotMyHandle I emailed Sharpnel once. And never got a return. I find it very possible they don;t use their email as much. I highly suspect they're busy, (a lot). Sorry i didn't inform you earlier.-Dark Ragnarok 09:34, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Incorrect sample sources?

The article says that the track Zap Your Channel includes samples from 'Soramimi Cake', but I listened to the track and couldn't hear any samples from it, so I'll remove that part of the text since it seems incorrect... 213.216.247.142 05:24, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Some people post what they think are the sample sources. It's really easy too, on top of the citing taken a website that no longer exists. I'll try confirming it. If it's incorrectly cited then it's probably a mistake for something similar. I try to only post things I've personally figured out on my own. But again I'll check into it. -Dark Ragnarok 09:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Soramimi Cake is there, it just doesn't play that well on regular speakers since it's a low encoded background noise. It starts around 1:26 with the "Lu la lu la piano wa sekai..." part. Anstalt 15:50, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
You're right, I'll edit it back. 85.217.38.159 13:00, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sharpnel Media Coverage

On the Sharpnel website there is a link to "Media" on the left bar. I think that page contains all of the media coverage in Japan that DJ Sharpnel has had. Can any Japanese speakers confirm this? I'm going to google translate it later and if so, add info to the article. --Notmyhandle 09:30, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

My Japanese is kinda bad but I believe you're right. For instance the first one is about a review in Loud Magazine nr. 121. And the other ones seem to also be media coverage of Jea, Sharpnel, Cottonpanties and Otaku Speedvibe.

[edit] Adding to the description?

Would it be okay to add a sentence in the artist description about DJ Sharpnel's heavy representation in StepMania/FlashFlashRevolution? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.159.217.2 (talk • contribs)

Well, it's hard to say what you would put. Influence on FFR? Or how FFR has given Sharpnel publicity? In the latter case it might already be done, but you'd want to add it to the Flash Flash Revolution page instead of this one. If DJ Sharpnel is actually causing some epic change or something at FFR, then by all means cite it and add something, but I don't see it as being notable even though it is kind of cool. I dunno mayn. Just search for stuff, and post possible references here for discussion. Remember to sign your posts (~~~~)! --Notmyhandle 07:55, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Well i think the main thing about music games is so much popularity of sharpnel came from those very games. In fact as early as i can remember... about 3-4 years ago they released a simpack for stepmania that had the song Dokudenpa, and i been trying hard as hell to find the artist, and it wasn;t until i realized later it was the same creator of Blue Army, and other *well* noted songs in FFR or Stepmania, i really believe a good portion of his fanbase came from the game. I can't prove this, but at least one person i knew who claimed they knew sharpnel (Jea and Lemmy) in person, told me that stepmania is the major reason Shaprnel is even popular in the U.S. My point is really jsut clarifying what i believe the other guy is trying to say. It might be well worth noting in the article "Much of the fandom came from games such as Stepmania, and FFR". I mean hell when i went on the Gabba chat on his website i seen very famous SNs of stepmania players posting there. Dark Ragnarok 07:09, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Genres

If you don't mind, I'll add Happy Hardcore and Freeform to the genre list, and remove Hardbeat. 85.217.34.156 14:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Wow, i wonder why HHC wasn't in there to begin with. That's about half their music. Hard beat i think is trying to imply Gabber or Hard Style, or possibly taken form the song "Samurai Hardbeat". Note a few songs by Sharpnel refer the word hard to show the sample he's mainly using being transformed into a "Harder" (Like more hardcore) fashion of music. I would suggest removing trance. I can only think of 2 songs that are remotely trance. Co Co Ro and 4-12+1. That to me isn't trance. He does use a lot of trance styles in his music. Blue Army, World Sound, and 30 Min. Harder, would be exampled of that. But it's not trance. It's mainly Happy Hardcore. In any case i think the best choice of wording for his music that encompasses his style would be exactly how they use it: Hard Rave. But that's not really a genre. Dark Ragnarok 07:18, 23 October 2007 (UTC)