Talk:DIY ethic

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Contents 1 Controversial plug for Apple 2 DIY != Punk 3 Combine with DIY Culture article 4 unrepresentative 5 Merge with DIY 6 Missing Examples 7 Merging

[edit] Controversial plug for Apple

Please don't name a specific program, especially since that program is non-free software.Sunnan 19:02, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DIY != Punk

For example, doing your taxes yourself is DIY, but nothing about it is Punk.

-- Aye, but your standard Punk WILL identify with the DIY ethic. Therefore, it is worth linking and/or mentioning in some capacity.

Yeah, a lot more people than punks and indies subscribe to this particular ethic, I think that it's worth noting this.

I can't agree more - I think the age bias of Wikipedians is showing here. The DIY ethic was (and to some extent remains) very strong in people who grew up during the Great Depression and WW2 eras. My 85 year old father is anything but "punk", but he does everything he can himself. The "point and write checks" atitude toward getting things done is a product of the Baby Boomers. Before that, DIY was the norm, not some new trend.63.161.86.254 (talk) 18:12, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Combine with DIY Culture article

This article should be combined with the DIY Culture article.

As I posted on the DIY culture page: there is confusion between DIY Ethics and DIY Culture. DIY Culture is talking about the politics of the movement, while the DIY Ethics article is more about the making of things for yourself. They're just reversed! I am opposed to merging the two articles, since this is really more of a personal philosophy for most people than a political movement, and the politics really are seporate so they should have seporate articles. But I think they need to be more clearly and accurately defined, and linked. --TK

[edit] unrepresentative

It seems that neither this article nor the DIY culture article accurately represent the general DIY culture. At least in America (i'm sure that it's this way most everywhere though), there have always been people creating things themselves. They did so for different reasons: •to solve a common problem (inventers) •to make something more personalized, more functional, or attract attention (modding) •to avoid paying a price seen as too high •for self-improvement and/or learning purposes •an outlet for creativity •boredom

The list goes on. Though it seems that only recently the practice of doing something yourself that you would usually have others do for you (or not do at all) has become a named action and that the people who regularly do or make things themselves have come together and formed a community. This phenomenon might be a result of easier and more widespread communication due to the internet and/or because of the increase in standardization and (possible as a result of fear of lawsuits) an appearant lack of trust in the competency of most consumers by corperations and manufacturers. --Mirabile Dictu 20:43, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge with DIY

it appears that an article already exists wich covers almost exactly what i am talking about: DIY. Since that article is more generalized and complete, i suggest that we merge both DIY ethic and DIY culture with DIY, or at least do some mentioning/linking in between all of them. --Mirabile Dictu 20:53, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Missing Examples

I can't believe there hasn't been ONE mention of GNU/Linux or any of the *BSD variants. Free/Open Source Software should be at the TOP of any polemic about Do It Yourself culture/ethic.

well there is now a link... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.66.159.54 (talk) 05:27, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merging

DIY Culture article doesn't exist. Maybe it's merged in. In Talk:Do it yourself the last post by User:The Ungovernable Force says a seperate page for DIY Culture and DIY ethics. However I donot think that it should be mearged in Indie (music). They are worlds apart with some connection in between. However I feel that this article could do with a paragraph mentioning aspects of Indie (music) or some aspects of DIY ethic being mentioned in Indie (music).