Talk:Dixie Chicks/Archive 1

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Treatment of the controversy

The controversy deserves to stay here, as it affects the group's album sales and concert ticket sales, and the boycott of their songs by several radio stations. -- Zoe 02:27, 21 March 2003

So long as it stays under Natalie Maines as well as being on this page, all parties can feel that justice has been done. -- Tiles 05:45, 21 March 2003

Is it necessary to have changed "explain their position" to "salvage their reputation"? I don't know if it's that tarnished. Gary Glitter's reputation would need salvaging, as would Pete Townshend's if the child porn allegations made against him had turned out to be true, but the Dixie Chicks? I don't think their reputation has been hurt so much as to need salvaging. --Lukobe 22:36, 6 May 2003

I agree and have restored "explain their position" Tiles 22:46 May 6, 2003 (UTC)

Useful source material on the controversy

[1] is useful for anyone working on this article. Kingturtle 05:02 Apr 24, 2003 (UTC)

Very useful - I've added the awards they have received to date. None for Courage, yet. Tiles 09:08 Apr 24, 2003 (UTC)

good stuff Tiles Ping 09:20 Apr 24, 2003 (UTC)

Another useful link which gives a different (non-American) perspective on the controversy [2] Tiles 22:04 Apr 25, 2003 (UTC)

Do you want to add that to the article instead of just talk? -º¡º

Will do Tiles 22:17 Apr 25, 2003 (UTC)

Article move

I've moved this from "The Dixie Chicks" to "Dixie Chicks" as per Wikipedia:WikiProject Music standards. Hope all are OK with this -- sannse 12:59, 8 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Clear Channel

There was never a "boycott" of the Dixie Chick by Clear Channel, nor was their music barred from being played on Clear Channel radio stations. In fact, Clear Channel's live entertainment division promoted over 20 of the Dixie Chicks show during the tour after Natalie Maines made her remarks.

The radio chain that did remove the Chicks' music from their stations for a short time was Cumulus. 22:00, 23 June 2004 141.225.50.114

Not entirely correct. A number of Clear channel radio stations did stop playing their music for a while. While Cumulas stations also stoped playing their music too, there are aple news stories about Clear Channel stations boycotting the Dixie Chicks. As I stated in my submission, their is a debate as to who initiated those boycotts though. Cab88 14:01, 24 June 2004, amended by 04:44, 2 October 2004 12.40.180.17

Individual stations may have stopped playing the Dixie Chicks for a while, but the true question is: did parent company Clear Channel boycott or ban their music? I have not found "aple [sic] news stories about Clear Channel stations boycotting the Dixie Chicks" despite Cab88's claim otherwise. —Mark Mathu Jan. 14, 2005

Why does entire page have to be about controversy?

Why does this entire page have to be about the Dixie Chicks and their political woes? These women have been bringing great music to the world for years and will continue to do so. Whoever is President and whoever is buying their stuff. I know I will count myself proud to be a Chicks fan, not because of what they believe, but because no matter what else happens, anytime, anyplace, they absolutely rock.

xenite_one_2001@yahoo.com, Terri D., Charlotte, NC 08:41, 22 November 2004 152.12.37.50

"Why does this entire page have to be about the Dixie Chicks and their political woes?"

Because this is an article about the Dixie Chicks. Not an article about how much the Dixie Chicks "rock." Besides, there is a section entitled "Group History," so the article is not entirely about their political issues. –Matt 09:38, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)(UTC)

What I'm saying (if you would bother to read the whole thing, and not just pick out certain words or phrases that support your point) is that nobody is talking about their comtribution to the music. They've brought a lot to country music and their sound has evolved and that is even worthy of mention. Also, what about all thier work with Rock the Vote and the World Wildlife Federation. Just because it's news to you, doesn't mean that it's news to the people who really are fans, or people who care in the least bit about the music. If you want to read about scandal, go someplace else. TD 16:52, 6 December 2004 152.12.16.46
There is probably too much on the controversy, which is now "old news". However, there is plenty of file room for TD to add to the article or edit the controversy material to capture the essence of the event and reduce to amount of detail. That would be more productive than over-reacting to Matt's response. Tiles 07:27, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
In February 2005 I made edits that expanded the treatment of their music considerably, although by an amount-of-text metric there's still a big emphasis towards the controversy. Wasted Time R 13:36, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Is it true that most country stations still refuse to play them?

Is it true that "most country music stations in the United States still refuse to play the Dixie Chicks' music because their generally conservative listeners disagree with the women and would rather not listen to their music." ? Tiles 07:56, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, they still are rarely played by CMT and country radio, but that could also be because they have had no new promoted material out since the controversy, so it's hard to tell. I've added words to this effect. Wasted Time R 16:35, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

songwriter?

Do they write their own songs? I was kind of hoping the article would say. NickelShoe 05:42, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Good point. Inside vs. outside songwriting is about half and half; I've added text to that effect. Wasted Time R 13:20, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

feel sorry

i feel sorry for the dixie chicks. I mean, they speak their mind and they are panned for it. I wonder if they came out and strongly in support of pres. Bush and his actions, that the dixie chicks would be even more famous and radios still playing their music. That just makes me hate conservatives American's even more :) 09:27, 6 December 2005 218.101.80.111

They'd be much worse if they were in support of pres. Bush. How do you think Liberals would feel about artists daring to line up with the same Conservatives you hate so much? Would you feel obliged to buy the material of an artist you used to like but which now you fully antipatize since you've come to know he is Conservative? Tell me the name of even one Conservative artist. They're all Liberals. Some fans of the Dixie are Conservative and are irked by them now just like you would be if the Dixie were Conservative. Deal with it. Get some consistency.

Ricardo Dirani 23:19, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

The Ramones and Neil Young, among others, publicly came out for Ronald Reagan in the early 1980s (pre Iran-Contra - see "Rocket to Russia") and got plenty of guff for it from their fans, but no one threatened to pull their records, or in the case of the Ramones, their punk card. There are far right rock and pop artists such as Ted Nugent and Anita Bryant, just as there are others in country music who are on the left side of the isle. Country is most definitely not "all liberals". (See Lee Greenwood and Charlie Daniels.) Before his death, Johnny Cash noted that he did not "approve" of President Bush, and Willie Nelson has also been clear about that. More recently, Faith Hill and Tim McGraw - hardly raging liberals - publicly decried the government's lack of action post-Katrina. It'll be interesting to see how much core negativity remains towards the Dixie Chicks, when you need a scorecard to keep track of the administration's continuing scandals. Considering the low approval ratings and recent polls showing 50% very dissatisfied with Bush, there are plenty of Americans who find themselves ashamed of the president's track record now. 67.10.133.121 11:57, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Deleted ridiculous

Deleted the following ridiculous addition to the article: " Why do you think the right wing party conservatives hatefd the sixties than evan to today? What kind of people hate peace and love togetherness? Are these people true Christians and follow the precepts Christ taught on the mount? Think the sixties, think a generation of angels. Think music, think God's messengers, think the Dixie Chicks." -meystingray 07:45, 8 December 2005 128.2.247.122

Gay Icons?

Do you think the Dixie Chicks should be added to the "Gay Icons" page? Although the girls themselves aren't gay, they have many, many lesbian fans. I was just wondering what everyone else thought.

Lady6String 21:00, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Well, since this is Wikipedia, you could always ask: is it Verifiable? If not, then default to "no". --Robertb-dc 23:27, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Conspiracy theories

The material on Dixie Chicks conspiracy theories lacks any reliable source. My suggestion is that the material be removed, or redirected onto a separate conspiracy theory page. Morton devonshire 01:15, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Structure reorg

Note that in the last couple of days I've substantially reorganized the structure of the article. The old history->sound->controversy scheme (which I was one of the framers of) was not holding up well in the face of new additions, and several periods of their history were being shortchanged. The new structure is much more straightly chronological, which makes more sense given that they are now on possibly their third "sound", and that the group's history now depends in part on the after-effects of the controversy. Wasted Time R 19:45, 27 March 2006 (UTC)