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[edit] Archival

I've archived the talk page, which was getting a bit long. If you consider any of the old convos to be unresolved - I didn't see any but who knows - please feel free to move it back. Xiner (talk) 03:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Re Political Controversey Section

Greetings all,

I added the paragraph including the quote in which Haggard defended the DC. I had added an explanatory paragraph after the quote which was, however, deleted. It read:

Thus, in effect, American soldiers who fought and died in past wars had died to protect precisely the right of individual Americans to voice their opinions in good conscience. Haggard's clear implication was that, by attacking the Dixie Chicks for exercising that right, those who attacked them were effectively negating what Americans in past wars had died for. Haggard's defense of the Dixie Chicks was significant because, as a country artist himself, he was exposing himself to precisely the same kind of backlash by coming to their defense at a time when certain other country artists, as an angry Natalie Maines charged in the Dixie Chicks biographical video "Shut Up and Sing," engaged in opportunistic "pandering," seeking to exploit the controversy to advance their own careers.

I admit this is a bit long. However, I think it is highly relevant to the "political controversy" aspect of the DC entry, for two reasons. Haggard's quote, to my mind, can only be interpreted as I have above, and it is arguably the most important aspect of the political controversy which emerged out of the DC debacle. Second, a related and perhaps the second most important aspect of the controversy deals with that fact that such backlashes against public personalities who voice dissenting opinions in American society constitute not only a very real "de facto" limitation on free speech but are exploited by others for their own purposes.

If someone has some objection to the above paragraph, I'd appreciate some kind of elaboration or explanation. I'm happy to hear other opinions, of course. Perhaps it can be modified. But I think a flat deletion in the absence of any kind of rationale is unreasonable. In the absence of such an explanation, I'd appreciate it if the above paragraph and related links were restored. -- Thanks

Gunnermanz 06:16, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Gunnermanz, I didn't delete your paragraph. Here's my feedback, and I think all Admins. would agree... there's too much of a tone of Editorializing and that violates NPOV. Encyclopedic content must contain information from references that allow the reader to draw their own conclusions. Saying "Thus, in effect, American soldiers..." OR, "Haggard's clear implication was that.." This A) implies the reader can not make such connections and B) You actually know what Haggard (in this case) meant; giving it an almost "term-paper" sound. (I admit, it's tempting to approach the material like that, especially if you've been schooled to do so, but if you want to make those comments, you need to find references from Merle Haggard (--or whomever), allowing them to draw those conclusions, or else trust the reader to have the intelligence themselves to do so. Remember, we can't do any research of our own. (By the way, he was not the only Country artist to boldly support the Dixie Chicks. Check Mary Chapin Carpenter (she wrote a song supporting the Chicks, called, "On With The Song), George Strait, and others, like Willie Nelson and James Taylor. If you wish, leave a note on my talk page, and I'll give you sources and explain further.

Where are your additions? I didn't see your name in recent page history. While I'm at it though, words like "steel guitar 'LEGEND'" Lloyd Maines are violations, too. You can call him "talented" or something but calling any living person a legend or icon isn't OK. And, someone added the description for the song "There's Your Trouble" as "bouncy" and another early song as "crowd pleasing"- not only not being NPOV, but also, the EXACT words I've seen on another site.. same sentences, so someone plagiarized it. I'd also be surprised if the paragraph beginning, "The Chicks also delivered gleeful revenge epics..." wasn't a completely plagiarized piece as well. Not pointing the finger at you, but I found both Emily Robison and Martie Maguire pages as stubs that were nearly all plagiarized, too, so if you personally did not write a particular piece and it hasn't a reference, please strongly consider deleting it. Without references the page can't stand anyway! --leahtwosaints (talk) 04:32, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: "Commander in Chief" reference

Hello everyone,

I firmly believe that Wikipedia must protect itself not only from the insidious encroachment of government and corporate "spies" posing as Wikipedians but also the encroachment of Orwellian "new-speak," and I suggest that the reference to "Commander in Chief" is one such encroachment.

Because someone inserted the above reference, I inserted this paragraph as an attempt to clarify this misleading and much-abused phrase:

In fairness, it should be remembered in regard to this criticism that, under the Constitution, the president is "commander-in-chief" of the military. He is the public servant of the American people. The Dixie Chicks were not serving members of the military but citizens of the United States. In this sense, they exercised one of the most fundamental freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution: the right of citizens to criticize their own public servants who they feel abuse their powers or violate laws or fundamental morals in the name of the American people.

I think this is a fair statement in light of the way the expression "Commander in Chief" is abused. However, someone deleted it. If so, then I have deleted the original mention of the phrase.

The president is not an emperor. He is a public official. He is the public servant of the American people. He is not the "commander in chief" of the American people.

I insist that this phrase either be deleted all together or explained. To do otherwise is, I believe, to subvert Wikipedia's golden rule of NPOV.

Thanks,

--Gunnermanz 13:27, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Martie's last name

I found confusing the single unexplained reference to Martie's first marriage, to Ted Seidel, in the "A new singer and commercial success" section. While this is explained easily enough in the separate Martie Maguire entry, it needs some sort of clarification here. Something like this:

The new Dixie Chicks lineup consisted of group leader Martie (fiddle, mandolin and vocals), Emily (guitar, dobro, banjo and vocals), and Natalie Maines (lead vocal and in concerts, guitar). Natalie added a strong and distinctive voice to the sisters' musicianship and harmony vocals, and the combination clicked. [...then as a new paragraph...] Martie's last name is shown as Seidel on the Chicks' Wide Open Spaces and Fly albums. She was married to Ted Seidel between 1995 and 1999. She had married Gareth Maguire by the time of their 2002 album, Home.

Typofixer76 05:39, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks. I'm currently doing some work on [[Martie Maguire]'s page and will keep this in mind. -leahtwosaints66.200.121.179 (talk) 17:09, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Highest Selling

This article starts with stating that they are the highest selling female group, because they sold 38 million records, however, the spice girls sold in excess of 53 million.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.26.196 (talk) 16:15, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

The article states that the Chicks are the highest selling female band of all time. The distinction that Wikipedia makes is that the Spice Girls are a girl group, not a band, because they don't play any instruments.--Dawn bard 17:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] We're ashamed the section isn't split

You know that Political controversy section? I think it's notable enough to warrant its own article. I think it could work better alongside the article instead of right inside it. ViperSnake151 21:57, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it needs its own article as well. It's well-known enough that it deserves to be split. MegaZega93 11:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. I'm a newbie trying to put together Martie Maguire's page, and if I was to honestly try to delve into any of the political stuff, --I mean, there's enough for an entire documentary-- it would take up far too much room. --leahtwosaints (talk) 03:00, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NO MENTION of the Early Dixie Chicks?!

I can understand why the page for Natalie Maines would not mention the original line-up playing under the name Dixie Chicks, but surely, the BAND page with that name would include some mention of the two other founders of the band, and the three(!) albums they produced. I mean, really!! Check the Martie Maguire page, I'm trying to recreate that. I don't wanna mess with a page here that someone obviously created with a lot of care and attention, but the fact does remain that from 1989-1995 the band consisted of Robison, Maguire, Lynch, and Macy, before the Natalie Maines days. --leahtwosaints (talk) 11:34, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FUTK

I think there ought to be some mention of the WONDERFUL FUTK t-shirt and the backlash as it has EVERYTHING to do with the Dixie Chick/ Toby Keith Fued and is part of their politcal controversy. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.58.208.120 (talk) 23:29, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of the "Girl Group" category

The "Category girl group" at the bottom of the page doesn't apply here, because the women play their instruments and the band was not founded during the 1960s. Please don't place it there again. --leahtwosaints (talk) 03:06, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. The Chicks are not a "girl group" any more than Heart or Vixen is. GBrady (talk) 17:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] There's a Big problem with Plagiarism here...

I wrote in January that I was uncomfortable about having seen certain sentences in the Dixie Chicks website before. I have found the source, and folks, the whole website has been built around a plagiarized stub. See this site here: [1] Read in particular, "The Sound" there. This stuff is all over the website. <slump>. What to do? Anybody know an Admin?? --leahtwosaints (talk) 11:54, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

If there is a clear copyvio please remove the text and in the edit summary place source web site as I did in this edit, if you have any questions leave a note on my talk page. Jeepday (talk) 03:50, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Are you sure the contents is copied from there and not vice versa? On top of that, the text on that page is GPL'ed so you shouldn't worry to much.

--Krautmaster (talk) 19:00, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

What does GPL'd mean? I went back to the beginnings of the page- a few years ago, and discussed it with an Admin- Aleta Sing and she felt the material consisting of copyright violations needed to be removed. This particular fansite that I've pointed out couldn't have copied a (VERY) early wikipedia article on the Dixie Chicks because it existed back when all the Chicks' wikipedia articles were all stubs back then, and, also, nobody provided any references, and that's what makes an encyclopedic article.

I'm suspicious of the opening paragraph, too. Rarely have I seen any encylopedia use words like: "soaring" ballads, and "lively persona", instrumental virtuosity, "soaring ballads", "fashion sense" and outspoken political comments. If someone here wrote it, my hat is off to you!! But generally, doing this kind of work, we don't tend to be THAT creative in our word choices. I'm leaving it alone, but just want people to consider that its a possible plagiarization of another fansite. If they did it to one, why not others? Just food for thought. I'm gonna root out the offending sentences where I can prove it's been plagiarized, and reword those parts. Just wanted people to be aware, since I know we'd all like to see this as a GA article someday. Thanks. --leahtwosaints (talk) 00:17, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Genre of the Dixie Chicks

I have reverted the genre of the band page, as it must be consistent with the individual's pages! Also, I believe the genres that the band plays are evident in the text. --leahtwosaints (talk) 11:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)