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[edit] Historical cities
They should be removed.
[edit] Nova Gorica/Gorizia
I doubt that these two can really be considered a divided city. The city of Nova Gorica was built after their division, as a "substitution" for Gorizia, which was ceded to Italy. When Gorizia was given to Italy, the region in the Slovenian part lost its regional entre and a new one was decided to be built. Nova Gorica was built on Solkansko polje, a flat and muddy area with little agricultural activity, next to Gorizia. But the city of Gorizia itself was never really divided.
Apart from the railway station, no notable buildings in the city of Gorizia remained on the Slovenian side, not to my knowledge at least.
Also, unlike many others, these two cities were always in good terms. An example is the "Marathon of Friendship" organized between the cities every year, even when Slovenia was still a part of communist Yugoslavia. I have to admit that lately I haven't heard of it (there never was as much cooperation as there is today though), but I did a history project on it a few years ago. edolen1 17:18, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rome?
Any reason Rome is not listed? It's in two states. Or is this not the concept of "divided cities" the article has in mind? Anorak2 14:07, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
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- I'm not so sure this should be in the list. The Vatican City is a national entity entirely surrounded by the city of Rome, but it is not legally part of Rome or of Italy. The city of Rome excludes the area occupied by the Vatican City. Rome is in one country only, Italy. -- JackofOz 06:17, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
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- That argument is somewhat circular. Any divided city is by definition in two states and two separate administrative units (e.g. municipalities or whatever). If we applied your logic rigidly, we'd have to say divided cities don't exist because in all cases they are legally separate.
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- People think of such cities "as one", because they were historially part of an integrated settlement, despite the fact that a state border was drawn across it at some later stage because of some historical accident. In this sense, most people think of the Vatican as part of Rome, because its territory has been considered part of that city for approx 1,200 years. The state border between it and "the rest" of Rome was drawn a mere 80 years ago. Anorak2 13:50, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Fair point. Thanks. -- JackofOz 11:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Definition
_ _ What is the basis for stating this definition? IMO the natural topic of cities straddling a border does not hinge on having had a common government at one time, but on having as much social and economic integration as would be expected of a single city, in spite of a border that impedes governmental integration. Texarkana lks here but describes a history that AFAI can see suggests social and economic integration occuring despite a pre-existing border. The two Kansas Citys, in Missouri and Kansas, may be another example, and Mystic, Connecticut, partly in Groton and partly in Stonington IIRCC is likely to be.
_ _ My point is not that the dictionary definition admirably included in the lead sentence may not give the definition right, but that i doubt there is a clear enuf established expression to justify a single dictdef. This topic may call for an article that treats a topic too seldom discusssed to have
- on one hand either of two histories (division at a point in time vs. joint growth despite a prior barrier to formal integration) as a focus, or
- on the other, an short unambiguous name as a phenomenon.
--Jerzy•t 18:16, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merge with Cross-border town naming
This article and Cross-border town naming appear to be covering the same territory (pun intended). I propose they be merged. TiffaF 07:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Divided city category.
Why is Berlin part of the Category:Divided City but Jerusalem isn't? I would have though both should be. --Peter cohen 14:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
