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[edit] Wachovia

Can someone help me out? There's a bit of a mess here:

Wachovia points to just Wachovia about the company and should probably be renamed Wachovia (Corporation) or Wachovia Corporation so that Wachovia can become a dab page for:

Wachovia Corporation


I've never done a page move and its a bit BOLD for me just yet :)

help? Legotech·(t)·(c) 03:39, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps consider creating Wachovia (disambiguation) and adding {{otheruses}} to the Wachovia article. (Oh, I added bullets to your list for readability, hope that's okay.) --Closedmouth (talk) 03:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Duh, the simple solution...no wonder I couldn't come up with it :) And thank you for fixing the formatting! Legotech·(t)·(c) 04:31, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:Barticus88/WhatLinksHere.js

The script User:Barticus88/WhatLinksHere.js had stopped working due to a change in the WikiGuts. It is now fixed. You may need to do a page reload (in Firefox ctrl-R) for it to take effect. Thanx to Russ for pointing this out.  Randall Bart   Talk  21:45, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Archives?

If an archive of a talk page leads to a disambiguation page, should I change that link? Please reply on my talk page if possible, thanks! ĞavinŤing 10:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

(This question has been replied to a couple of times, so it can be considered resolved. Dekimasuよ! 03:40, 21 March 2008 (UTC) )

[edit] Inappropriate "disambig" tags

On this talk page, I have raised an issue which might deserve a wider audience. Is there any mechanism to detect and remove "disambig" tags from pages that really shouldn't be classified as disambiguation pages in the first place? The problem as I see it is that this project's goal is to repair links to disambiguation pages, since the links really should be going to the more specific article instead. If the more specific article is the very one linking to the disambiguation page, then the link is deleted entirely, since self-linking is neither allowed nor useful in any way. That is the specific scenario discussed in the aforementioned talk page.

However, if a disambiguation page exists that shouldn't even be a disambiguation page in the first place, and there are useful links to that page, then members of this project will assume they need to repair or delete those (useful) links. Are members of this project advised, before they undertake "repairs", to at least consider whether a "disambig" tag is appropriate? Is there a hard and fast rule as to when a "disambig" tag is appropriate? The first sentence of this project page reads, "Disambiguation pages exist to clarify confusion in which two or more similarly named articles exist – for example, if two famous people have the same name." Is that the only rule, or might there be exceptions (e.g., a list of articles not having similar names, but still qualifying for some reason as a disambiguation page)?

Please advise if you have useful information and/or opinions on this issue. Thanks. --Art Smart (talk) 17:01, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

I did a little research to try to answer my own questions, and I've proposed a slight wording change in Manual of Style (disambiguation pages). See the talk page for my proposal. Thanks. --Art Smart (talk) 17:41, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Link counts

I have a question about link counts: the new dump shows 130 links to Independent, but I've been keeping an eye on that on and there are only 21 links in article space. (6 are redirects, there are a few other cross links from other dab pages, and a few that I'll fix.) Yet, when I move it down to "done" we'll credit the project with 130 fixed links. Do we view that as an acceptable compromise to make the link-counting simpler, or is there a better way of counting links for article space only?--AndrewHowse (talk) 14:07, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

There were 130 links at the time the dump file was generated 12 days ago, but most of them were fixed in the meantime. --Russ (talk) 14:31, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Something is broken

Category:Zoologists with author abbreviations is strange and incorporates Einstein and some others with have no such cat given--Stone (talk) 21:33, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Quick question

What happens if there's a link to a disambiguation page in an article I can't edit? It isn't protected or anything, it just won't let me edit it. Another quick question, if you add the page to the "done" list when it's all finished, what happens if people add more links to it? Then it isn't really done, is it? Totakeke423 (talk) 08:13, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

On the first, can you provide an example please? It might be a template, but let's take a look. On the second, there's a maintenance function here too. It's "done" at that point in time, but it could certainly change.--AndrewHowse (talk) 12:03, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I have a problem like this too. It is on Sexuality. There are three links left and I can not find where the links are. I had fixed a template that got rid of several different links except those two. Any help would be highly appreciated! Mynameisnotpj (talk) 02:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Could it be on the template talk page? I delinked in your comment; it might take a few minutes to roll out the change. I'll keep an eye on it. --AndrewHowse (talk) 02:13, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
You might try making a null edit (like adding a space) to the pages. Sometimes that helps to flush cached versions of the page that might still appear to have an older version of the template. older ≠ wiser 02:20, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
We have a winner! Bkonrad, please replace your inequality with equality! --AndrewHowse (talk) 02:26, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the help. I'm still not completely sure what you did, but I will probably be able to figure it out if it happens again. Mynameisnotpj (talk) 03:19, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
As I understand it, the wiki guts don't always reproduce the new template exactly, but use a version that was earlier stored in some sort of cache. Only when the page changes, e.g. by the addition of a space or two after a final period, can one force the software to go get a new copy of the template. --AndrewHowse (talk) 04:37, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
To answer your second question, it's taken that those links that were present on the dump date have been fixed, and other links that were added later aren't counted. Thaurisiltc 10:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Armored car

Would appreciate other views on this: It looks like somebody took an article, split it into 3 pieces and put a dab page at the original. Then he/she pushed off to do something else, leaving 200+ inbound links. I'm truly unsure about the value of this. --AndrewHowse (talk) 20:29, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, they are three different types of vehicles with the same name... It should be relatively easy to tell if the articles mean the military or one of the civilian armored vehicles, with the primary civilian vehicle being Armored car (valuables). --Bobblehead (rants) 22:02, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] CorHomo not working for me

Hi fellow repairmen, I just downloaded CorHomo v.1.3.3, and no links appear in the lefthand corner no matter which disambiguation page I try. The most I can do is enter my ID and a disambig page, click start research, and have a list of possible links (righthand side) show up. Note: I'm using Windows Vista. ~EdGl 00:55, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe related to this ? I am not sure since I prefer to use my own tool, Wikipedia Cleaner. Feel free to give it a try ;) --NicoV (talk) 07:28, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, how do you change "'Whatlinkshere' to 'WhatLinksHere' in the tcl file" (what is the tcl file)? Maybe I'll just have to pick a new tool, like yours, NicoV. ~EdGl 13:58, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
The tcl file is CorHomo source code, but after that I don't know the executable is created for Windows. --NicoV (talk) 14:57, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Any chance to get this fixed? I have no Java on my computer and work with CorHomo used to be fine for me in the past. I was trying to tweak executable, but with no success. Perhaps someone could recompile executable with new WhatLinksHere, hm, please? --Ruziklan (talk) 22:01, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Could you use a hex editor to modify the exe file? Andareed (talk) 22:09, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, but I could not find texts, they are seemingly hidden, as usual in some executables. --Ruziklan (talk) 22:18, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
As almost 2 days have passed since my posting here and no new idea was offered, it seems that not many are watching this and I should not expect working version of CorHomo. Anyway, if Java based tool is no option for me, what would you recommend? --Ruziklan (talk) 14:52, 23 April 2008 (UTC) (in WinXP environment --Ruziklan (talk) 15:00, 23 April 2008 (UTC))
All right, despite my doubts I managed to get some Java on and indeed WikiCleaner works fine. Thanks for not answering (and I mean it really positively :-). --Ruziklan (talk) 20:40, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I downloaded Wikipedia Cleaner and it works great :) ~EdGl 15:06, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Good to hear . If you have suggestions on it, you can use this page. --NicoV (talk) 16:02, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rename the nationality section

This is about the current list page. Is it OK to rename the section “Nationality and ethnic group adjectives” to “Nationalities and ethnic groups”? It contains nouns too, and there are more in the general list. Also, the words can usually be understood as adjectives or nouns, depending on context (if I'm not mistaken). Wipe (talk) 00:53, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Done. Wipe (talk) 01:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Old IP links.

Some of our what-links-here pages are crowded with links to IP talk pages with ancient warnings about vandalism by IP editors. Per the discussion archived at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion/Archive 9#IP talk pages, these may be blanked on sight. A bot can do this task, if we feed it all the IP talk pages containing links from disambig pages and instruct it to blank any one from which there have been no contributions since, say 2006 (to be on the safe side). bd2412 T 20:58, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

As an addendum to that, for IP talk pages with identification templates (i.e. indicating that the IP address in question belongs to a particular school or company), that template or message should be left intact, but the rest can be blanked (or at least links to disambig pages can be delinked). bd2412 T 04:31, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Atrocity?

Atrocity dab's to three possible links, a wikitionary definition, and music links. Should the dab page just redirect to the wikitionary page (i.e. the primary subject)? Martin451 (talk) 23:08, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Is it even possible to redirect to a Wiktionary page? (Btw, I linked "atrocity" in Martin's question for ease of navigation.) --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 04:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, you use the {{wi}} template (with a long comment please!) --Closedmouth (talk) 07:21, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
However, I don't think that is advisable when there are other terms to be disambiguated. The other terms should also be listed, which makes the page more appropriately a disambiguation page than a soft redirect to wiktionary. older ≠ wiser 12:41, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I realise this is somewhat tangential to the discussion here, but if the word atrocity is wikilinked when it's used in the 'ordinary word' sense, then I'd tend to unlink it when dabbing the inbound links to Atrocity. Do others agree? --AndrewHowse (talk) 12:48, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
You can link such uses directly to Wiktionary. Although I check to make sure it is warranted and not simply overlinking of common terms. See Wikipedia:Wikimedia sister projects#Wiktionary and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links). older ≠ wiser 13:00, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I agree with delinking when the word is used in its ordinary sense. --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 17:38, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of Users

Just recently joining the cause to remove disambig. pages with links, I thought that it would be good if we had a list of all users doing this using something like "# {{user4|Username}}." Just an idea, Astrale01talkcontribs 18:09, 19 April 2008 (UTC) Never mind, there is already a list for the whole DAB Wikiproject. Astrale01talkcontribs 18:15, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Another thing we could do is to have an article category to show which pages need a big cleanup. If any of these ideas are already in place, please let me know. Astrale01talkcontribs 18:11, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello, are you looking for Category:Disambiguation pages in need of cleanup? ~EdGl (talk) 19:30, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, thanks. Astrale01talkcontribs 19:43, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template to display project participation at top of your userpage

I happen to like these little icons along the top bar of my userpage, so I boldly created one for this project ({{Wikipedia:Disambiguation_pages_with_links/Usertop}}). Let me know your thoughts. (Example: User:Xenocidic). If anyone can figure out how to remove those bars along the top and bottom of the icon, that would be great. xenocidic (talk) 14:48, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

And this is now fixed. Thanks, Thingg! xenocidic (talk) 19:40, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template changes slow to propagate?

Does anyone else find that changes to templates are getting slower to propagate through the articles using them? I seem to remember that they used to roll out in a few minutes, and now it takes days. Has there been a change in the software somewhere? --AndrewHowse (talk) 16:24, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I was going to ask the same question. The links to Bernhard Vogel just refuse to go away even though I fixed the ones in templates a couple of days ago. --Closedmouth (talk) 16:37, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Null edits seem to take care of it (edit/no change/save) although that seems like an inelegant solution. --AndrewHowse (talk) 16:39, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I've tried purging the cache of every page I could think of, but it had no impact. I guess the servers have more important things to worry about. --Closedmouth (talk) 16:43, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Try editing the page that transcludes the template. That should work and is probably more useful, since you can fix up grammar and whatnot. --Squids'and'Chips 00:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fixing RDs to dab pages with AWB

I suspect this is really obvious to somebody, but it's not obvious to me. How do I disambig links to a dab page via redirect with AWB? E.g., King George V redirects to dab page George V, so anything that links to King George V needs to be fixed too. TIA, --AndrewHowse (talk) 02:06, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Load the links to the dab page, then type the name of the redirect in the "Link to disambiguation" field without clicking anything. AWB will look for the name of the redirect in the article and use the links from the dab page. --Closedmouth (talk) 02:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Perfect. Thanks much. --AndrewHowse (talk) 04:11, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wanted: Disambigious members with free time to help MASSIVE project!

Hello disambigious wikiproject! Just giving a shout out to anyone that is here interested in a VERY BIG disambigious task. It involves this BOT: User:FritzpollBot and this project: Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Places. The objective is to add an extra ~1.8 million articles on Wikipedia. Yup that's right, ~1.8 million articles of places (viligies,towns etc). All of this will be automated and such but there is a problem with the disambigiuation aspects of this task. That is, there are many places that happen to have the same name (but are two different places --> as suggested by the coordinates) and if one article was to be created, the second won't be created but will instead be a copy of the first. This might leave big gaps in the amount of articles created so that is why disambigious names will need to be fixed to ensure there is an article for each of the places. There currently are a few people undertaking this task already but if you happen to be interested in this task, do check out the project page and help any country of your choise out. Currently not all countries are available, but they soon will be so I thought I give a heads up to anyone that might want to help out in anyway. Ok maybe that wasn't an exceptional explanation but if you have any questions, please go to User talk:Fritzpoll or User talk:Blofeld of SPECTRE as both happen to be a part of this excellent idea. Cheers! Calaka (talk) 04:28, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh and just to give an update: There is currently a discussion occuring here at: [1] so if there is any interest, you are more than welcome to state your view/opinion. Cheers!Calaka (talk) 01:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC)