User talk:Dishant55555

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[edit] Anand (surname)

A tag has been placed on Anand (surname), requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you plan to expand the article, you can request that administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material. To do this, affix the template {{hangon}} to the page and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Proofreader J-Man 03:25, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Concerning Avie Luthra

Now to your question regarding the deletion of Avie Luthra:

Sorry to have you kept waiting...and be sure, every action by an administrator is easily reversible, so don't be to miffed about me deleting it :)).

Articles on wikipedia have to conform to certain standards and policies (especially WP:ATT). The article itself was deleted following the guideslines for speedy deletions, under the A7 criterion (article did not ascertain the notability of the subject). If you got more questions after reading the whole stuff, feel free to pester me. Cheers. Lectonar 15:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I had another look at the deleted article and still do not think that the article established notability; to contest the speedy deletion, go to deletion review and follow the instructions. The thing is that we've got kind of policy regarding actors, but not necessarily about filmmakers. Regards. Lectonar 16:33, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

You can find it under WP:BIO, actors. Lectonar 15:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] welcome

Thanks for helping to edit Indian caste system. Please take a look at WP:ATT and WP:RS. While I agree with your edits, it would be much more encyclopedic if you had references (actual verses from Manusmriti are fine) to back up what you say.Bakaman 01:28, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sehgal

Hi, the Devanagari script you added for the surname according to my knowledge is wrong. It should be either सहगल or सैगल. Also, it would be better if wrote Devanagari and Gurmukhi instead of Hindi and Punjabi. Sehgal and other Indian names are still Hindi names, but are written in English (or more correctly Roman) letters. For example, the sentence tera naam kya hai is Hindi but written in English letters, so I believe it should be labelled as Devanagari and Gurkukhi lipi. Thank you and have nice day! Gizza^{Chat ©} 05:23, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I still think सहगल is acceptable depending on who the person is. सैगल is obviously a more accurate transliteration for Kundan Lal Saigal but for those who spell it as eh and especially ah instead of ai for example Lakshmi Sahgal and Nayantara Sahgal, the other spelling is preferred. Gizza^{Chat ©} 10:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My reverts

Sorry, I may have over-reverted. I was responding to an official complaint about the article in regard to this edit [1], which is clearly pejorative. I've no knowledge or view on the rest of the article. --Doc^g 08:21, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Malhotra

What is IP wrote is unsourced and probably wrong. Though I am not a keen supporters of castes and stuff like that, in terms of divisions within the Kshatriya caste, (and more specifically Khatri, which are Punjabi Kshatriyas), there is three primary divisions: Kukhran, Bhat something (I forgot) and Bhujai. As an example, Chadhas are part of the Kukhran (highest rank) jati, Sehgals, Kapoors Malhotras are second and Lambas and Vijs are Bhujai which is third. I personally don't believe in too much of these divisions and ranks because I don't think castes and varnas are a true part of the Hindu Dharm. In the Gita Bhagawan Krishna says everyone is equal before His eyes and I follow the same principle.

Claiming Malhotras are above Khatris 1. Violates Wiki's Neutral Point of View policy 2. Has no sources WP:RS 3. Probably Original Research. Please add warnings such as {{subst:uw-unsourced1}} and {{subst:uw-npov1}} to him and gradually give stronger ones (See WP:UTM) until the fourth or fifth warning. If he continues adding nonsense I will block him. Thanks for pointing this out! Have a nice day. Gizza^{Chat ©} 08:44, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

NOTE : No claims were ever made on th Malhotra page that Malhotra's are above Khatri as suggested by Dishant55555 who keeps vandalising that and other pages - Malhotra ARE of course Khatri ! on the other hand.......

Checked sources provided by Dishant55555 for grand claims about the Luthra family such and I quote -

   * "Luthra's..are known for their prominence as warriors and of the ruling and administrative class" The source provided (ref. 9) -source does not say that !!) What it actually says and I quote "Luthra Indian (Panjab): Hindu (Arora) and Sikh name based on the name of an Arora clan. "

   * Another grand claim by Dishant55555 "The Gupta Dynasty assumed control of Northern India in 400 CE, and the Luthras joined forces with the Guptas to maintain law and order in what became India's Golden Age." again no source is provided.

   * another claim "Many Luthra's are extremely successful in terms of business" again no evidence or source

   * Another claim by Dishant55555 *"Mainly Luthra's were involved as warriors in various Indian military battles. They were generally at the front-line or in the higher ranks and were known for their bravery amongst Kshatriya." Again no evidence to back this up.

Wikipedia is to be based on FACT, NOT what someone would like a family history to be. I am happy to leave his claims on there IF he is able to provide accurate sources as per wiki guidelines.

The Luthra history page will show that I not Dishant55555 removed the 2 non prominent Luthra's he is talking about on 30 March 2007, BEFORE he edited the page just before his above reply to you, both of which he did on 5 April 2007.

Dishant5555 also makes claims that Malhotra's are Vaishya caste and that they converted to Islam and has provided a single "alleged" book source for several of his claims. This source has been checked, a copy is at the British Library in London and again does not make any such claims. Malhotra's are of course Hindu and are Khatri not Vaishya as is a well know fact as a google on "Malhotra Khatri " will show. He has also previously removed legitimate edits such as removing clearly sourced edits (a look at the Malhotra page history where Dishant55555 has made repeatedly reverted legitimate edits by many users will confirm this)

Dishant Luthra appears to be vandalising pages edited by users who have removed his unsourced claims. This would appear to breach Wikipedia guidelines on vandalism, in particular wikipedia's definition of "Sneaky Vandalism" which says Vandalism which is harder to spot. This can include adding plausible misinformation to articles, (e.g minor alteration of dates), hiding vandalism (e.g. by making two bad edits and only reverting one), or reverting legitimate edits with the intent of hindering the improvement of pages

Regards

[edit] Khatri and Arora

I see you have been marjory editing the Khatri page . Often removing information. Please consider that others who have contributed to common pages such as Khatri that you have also contributed to or are currently contributing may have information that is unknown to you . Unless an edit post is hurtful to others or a personal attack or completely ludicrous please desist from simply assuming better scholarship on the subject. The joy of wikipedia is in joining the pieces.

Your removal of information from earlier posts therefore is misplaced, please do not do this , instead discuss with the user or on the discussion page . I have found that this way an adversarial edit war is avoided .

I dont agree with many of the information’s you have been removing but I have not undone your posts except in the case of Arora . please inform why you feel your sources of information on Arora not being Khatris are better than anyone else’s information that they are Khatris . I think they are Khatris and Khatris who insist otherwise are just being cussed .

On the other hand the person posting on Malhotra is self - masaging his own ego ...I find his edits quite funny as are his use of terms .. elite , top of Pyrimid ...ludicorus .

Cheers Intothefire 05:03, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Luthra

It appears to me that..

Checked your sources provided for grand claims about the Luthra family such and I quote -

"Luthra's..are known for their prominence as warriors and of the ruling and administrative class" The source provided (ref. 9) -source does not say that !!) What it actually says and I quote "Luthra Indian (Panjab): Hindu (Arora) and Sikh name based on the name of an Arora clan. " Another grand claim by Dishant55555 "The Gupta Dynasty assumed control of Northern India in 400 CE, and the Luthras joined forces with the Guptas to maintain law and order in what became India's Golden Age." again no source is provided. another claim "Many Luthra's are extremely successful in terms of business" again no evidence or source Another claim by Dishant55555 *"Mainly Luthra's were involved as warriors in various Indian military battles. They were generally at the front-line or in the higher ranks and were known for their bravery amongst Kshatriya." Again no evidence to back this up. Wikipedia is to be based on FACT, NOT what someone would like a family history to be.

Regards

[edit] Malhotra

You put a question to me on my talk page viz
"Why did you add negative portrayal of Yudhistira on Malhotra? dishant 01:46, 12 April 2007 (UTC) "

I count the Mahabharat as among my favourite books which I have reread several times . Off course I have only read translations into English by several authors . I have only summarized one prominent trait or what could be called his Hamartia from my understanding of the narrative .
Do you feel my post is incorrect ?
That it is not factually correct as per the Mahabharat ?

Alternately if the addition of this post has hurt you I will remove it ,
or if you remove it I will not put it back and
and further I apologise if you feel a special affinity to Yudhishtra and my post may have therefore upset you . Cheers Intothefire 08:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

To my above post you replied

"No, it's nothing like that and Yudhistira did have a gambling problem, I was just wondering what the necessity was to add that on the Malhotra page. Anyway, since the Mahabharata is one of your favourite books, can you confirm that Yudhistira was NOT a Malhotra? dishant 23:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)"

Here s my response

No from my readings of the Mahabharat I can not confirm one way or another , for that matter on my post in Malhotra I have not disputed or affirmed this claim either .I any case I wish to put this discussion to an end and would rather seek your collaboration instead of clash on an issue on which I do not wish to spend time on research . Here I am removing my post . Will revert later on this issue on the children of Pandavs as mentioned in the Mahabharat in the versions Ihave read . Cheers Intothefire 04:02, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh great you redid the whole article ...so I dident need to ...Intothefire 04:05, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good idea

It was good thinking to post the notice on ANI. I do not have the time to look into it because I'm in the middle of exams right now. All the best Gizza^{Chat ©} 07:50, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Please help

Hi Dishant - I'm sorry but I am very busy at the moment; I would advise you to seek out another administrator from Category:Indian Wikipedia administrators. Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 02:36, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bawanghar?

I have seen Bavanjai in a number of books. For example in Varan Bhai Gurdas Ji (born AD 1551). , Vaar 8 - Pauri 10 (Khatri jatan) he uses the term Bavanjahi.

Where did you see bawanghar? --Vikramsingh 20:07, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

You wrote:

I think you may have misread the diffs. I personally did not intentionally add Bawanghar. You may add your version BUT be sure to source them otherwise I am obligated to delete your edits. Thankyou. dishant 07:03, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Dear Dishantji,

Why do you take an adversarial view? What have I done wrong? Have I offended you in any way? Have I written something that is wrong?

You are been questioning extremely well known facts. You should at least let me know what you think is right.

I have studied the subject for many years. I can locate a citation for every fact from me, that you question. Would you like others to question well known facts that you contribute?

It seems that you are writing from an Arora-vs-Khatri perspective. Aroras have a distinct history, but they are closely related, and have had a mutually supporting role. I am sad to see that you consider them adversaries.

Do you have any doubt about the fact that most Khatris are Hindu? Did you grow up in India?

--Vikramsingh 21:37, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

No, don't worry, I have nothing against you or Khatris. I am sure that Khatris and Aroras had almost identical backgrounds and are basically the same caste. Indeed, the Arora article says "Aroras...like their Khatri brethren, have also prospered because of strong work ethic," and talks more about Arora-Khatri links. What I do not support is IP User 81.149.27.200 making mincemeat of facts and history, all coming together to assert Khatri superiority and to say that Aroras were always Vaishya caste. ie. these types of edits. About religion, Khatris are not Muslims, but many Khatris converted to Islam to become Punjabi Shaikhs and that needs mention. Similarly, the Arora article states that many Aroras converted to Islam became Khoja Shaikhs. Also, ideas that clans like Malhotra originated from demi-gods like Yudhistira (who incidentally had no children by the end of the Mahabharata) are completely flawed and cannot be allowed to stand. I have no doubt you are knowledgeable on the topic, but as per Wikipedia:Reliable sources, Wikipedia:Verifiability and [[Wikipedia:Citing sources}}, I am obliged to put ^{[citation needed]} tags wherever things are not sourced. That is, don't you agree, better than deleting all unsourced material which is what I should be doing? I do not consider Aroras and Khatris to be adversaries, but I'm just making some edits based on observations and a long-standing edit war with an IP user who has a superiority complex. Regards. dishant 00:47, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nayar are Punjabi Khatri

Dishant/Vikram yes Nairs are Malyalee . However there are also Punjabi Nayar .This is a Khatri clan from the Punjab .
For example the journalist Kuldeep Nayar .
Music director O P Nayyar who is now no more
It is the same with Mira Nayar
Aalso same with Arun Nayar now husband of Liz Hurley .

Please restore this deletion made on any articles .

Cheers Intothefire 07:34, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Cheers Intothefire 07:34, 31 May 2007 (UTC)